Statement Correction: Not Everyone Loves Boglwe

[Darth Bootay]

Sorry, Tarryk, you've got your opinion and not everyone shares it. All of RubiKa does NOT love Boglwe. There's a good handful of us who can't stand the homophobic, bratty little twit.

I tune out of GSP every time one of you starts gushing about how freaking wonderful that pink horror is. She's not wonderful. She's not lovable. She's not cool. She's just some lifer who AFKs in front of a whompa for days on end. If you ever actually got to know her, you'd be a lot less impressed with her. Trust me.

Moderate away.

*snarl*

[Tarryk]

Well, I suppose I'm a little embittered about certain other (far more important) opinion polls to really drive a focus at this one, but for the sake of replies alone...

...Boglwe has impacted Rubi-Ka in a way that everyone must recognize. Whether or not you "love" her is not an issue.

Whether or not you seriously feel the need to tune out of my show simply because I said "Rubi-Ka loves ya, girl" is, in fact, an issue. But one, unfortunately, that is as easily dismissable as any other opinion. Including my own.

I recognized Boglwe and gave her the respect that I felt she deserved. Whether or not you agree is your own call, and I appreciate your opinion. Sorry it drove you to tune out.

Can't have everything...where would you put it?

[Darth Bootay]

Tarryk, if standing afk in front of a whompas overshadows her public and very nasty anti-gay actions and statements... then maybe RubiKa is as filled with mindless, appearance-fed sheep as the United States. As far as I'm concerned, a spoiled child who will destroy her own guild rather than admit it has a large population of gay, lesbian and bisexual members is NOTHING to celebrate.

But we all put what we like up on our pedestals, don't we.

If you love her Bush Youth-esque behind, that's for you to feel. Don't think that everyone else shares that affection and don't get stung when those of us who feel the exact opposite emotion stand up and beg to differ. It's like someone saying on the media that everyone in America loves our fascist retard of a president. Don't think for an instant that I don't KNOW you'd feel a little bit of sick anger and the intense desire to stand up and shout "Bush sucks!" if you heard that on the radio. I daresay you'd tune out too.

*Lifts an eyebrow*

It certainly beats crashing the party and arguing the point in vicinity, to the detriment of those who might be enjoying themselves.

[Ichyro]

I'm suprised there is any concern with someones sexual preference in Anarchy online. Whether you like men, women, sheep or Al gore, has little difference in what guild you are in, whether its roleplay or simply a group of players who work together. You would think the internet would offer some freedom from the bigotry and strange division we make of ourselves based on personal matters. I mean...for all you know, I could be gay. Tristalyn (Just using you for example, I dont mean anything! ) could be a lesbian. Would we have found out if they told us? Dunno, but I dont see how it would effect her DJ skills and personality, or mine sans DJing. That aside, I don't see how anyone would destroy a guild because it had many homosexuals and bisexuals. I'd understand if they were racists or something..but this isnt a case of the haters being the reason it was destroyed. The hater destroyed the guild because of her hate...is what it seems like at least.

Can one not listening understand why she impacted Rubi'Kai, and if her destruction of a guild because of their IRL sexual preference is why...then why does it indeed deserve respect? And if not, what did she do that deserves respect despite being so against the idea of homosexuals and bisexuals in her guild?

/shrugs

[Oddysee]

Uhm... Is it just me or does discussing an AFK girl in pink and white seem like an odd topic?
Who cares what people think about her? I've never seen her bloody move. Tbh I didn't even know who it was till you mentioned afk near the whompah... Live and let live. So what if she's cool/a twat, awesome/an anti-gay prick... Does it change anything? So is 90% of AO in one way of another. Discussing each and everyone of them would seem like a rather bad idea. Don't like her, don't talk to her, find her cool, chat away... But why complain!?
I dunno, it just strikes me as odd. I mean, it's not like it's gonna change anything, so what's the point?
And regarding the shout out... C'mon, the DJ's say "love ya" all the flippin time. If we were to take it literally we wouldn't view the DJ's like we do, but as a bunch of tree humpin nature huggin hippies. It's a term, like gratz on a ding. It's not like we actually care most of the time, we just say it. It's a phrase.
So they gave her props for standing there and, erh, doing what ever the hell it is she does... Does it matter?
Lauri thanked me on air for ordering Goldfinger - Superman at the ball... Should all who don't like that song take offence and beg to differ because they sure as hell didn't think so?
What would the point be?





Tm

[Mivat]

[quote=Ichyro]You would think the internet would offer some freedom from the bigotry and strange division we make of ourselves based on personal matters.[/quote]

I can, as a long-time denizen of chat-systems (irc, various IM's and other things), tell you that this is not the case. In fact, I have found that people are in general more open in showing their lack of tolerance in an online setting, as they think that their anonymity (real or imagined) gives them some form of protection or shield against retaliation.

This is especially true in the area of sexual preference.

People can't seem to get a tiny little fact through their skulls: Truth, in non-scientific issues, are based on their reality. And their reality isn't neccesarily the same as the one I or you or anyone else has. Trying to force one's meanings upon others, wether those meanings are about gays/lesbians, religion or politics, is (in my opinion) wrong.

And besides....what concern of mine is it that someone prefers to boink someone of their own sex? None. It's not my place to say that it's right or wrong, and it is not my desicion to take.

[Rowenael]

Hear hear. I agree with everything just said by Mivat. What we consider as right or wrong is not the way everyone or every culture will see it. There is no right or wrong, only opinion.
The world would be far better than it is if everyone just got along. But unfortunately the last guy that tried to get everyone to realise this was nailed to a cross.
i think we should always check out who we might offend before we say or do anything though.

But hey as i say this is just my opinion.

As for my opinion on Boglwe, don't know her, don't agree with her views in the slightest but would defend to the death her right to have them.

[Zephem]

I'm a bit of a newbie to this game and everything, so I'm not all that familiar with Boglwe. I'm just wondering though, what has she done that's so great to the game? Just for my own thoughts, really, as I see references to it but don't know exactly what it is.

There's no problem in voicing an opinion about it. I have met a few people who were associated with her in the past, and they have bad tastes in their mouths on it. Frankly I don't care much about her since I find it a little weird that someone leaves their game logged in all day and night while their character sits in front of the whompa. I'd put my computer to use for other things rather than that

All that processing and graphical power to waste, le sigh.

[Tarryk]

It's truly hilarious how this got blown so far out of proportion.

Boglwe is the one person most famous for doing nothing. That's a funny quip, yet truthful. I haven't talked to her much because, quite frankly, she doesn't strike me as an overly intelligent creature.

If what you say about her homophobia and Bush-supportiveness are true, then yes, those parts of her I dislike and consider blind stupidity. But on the vast outspoken majority, it's a fact that Rubi-Ka does appreciate the humor of Boglwe's presence. 99% of whom have never spoken a word to her and therefore do not KNOW (or neccessarily care) what her views are about...um...anything at all.

If you want to throw a tantrum every time someone says something slightly deterrant from your own little world, Saint, that's your call.

Example: Bush is about to win, and I threw a tantrum on air. You know what it got me? Several people stating how dumb I was for publically announcing that I hate my country because of this election. As of this moment, I suppose I still do hate my country, but that doesn't justify my public reaction. It was indeed dumb of me.

Don't think for an instant that I don't KNOW you'd feel a little bit of sick anger and the intense desire to stand up and shout "Bush sucks!" if you heard that on the radio. I daresay you'd tune out too.

Know me that well? I'd state my disagreement and leave. I certainly would NOT /shout "Bush sucks" under those circumstances. That's called griefing.

And one thing I would NEVER do is offer an arguement in comparison for a public tantrum and "I'm tuning out *footstomp footstomp*" between the leadership of america and a funny girl who stands in front of a whompa on RK.

I like bagels. If you don't, good for you. If it disgusts you that my taste in bagels is repeated on the air, great. If I say "Rubi-Ka loves bagels" and get a majority response in the positive, yet you disagree and feel the need to publically rant over something so inanely trivial and tune out because of it, well that's great too. Bubye and hope your playlist was enjoyable.

We all put our true priorities to the foreground, don't we.

But perhaps it's a good point when you say "I tune out of GSP every time one of you starts gushing about how freaking wonderful that pink horror is."

How about from now on I just tune YOU out every time you offer some overly opinionated voice of self-worth as though anyone who doesn't agree is an absolute moron in your private little "I think therefore I'm right" world. You can go ahead and play it off like it doesn't insult or hurt you to hear something like that, but my point is made nonetheless.

[Tristalyn]

Tristalyn (Just using you for example, I dont mean anything! ) could be a lesbian.

Could be!!

From my experience in AO, this is my conclusion.

Noone is arguing whether or not being against gays and lesbians is right/wrong in AO.. However the fact is.. Boglwe is very anti gay/lesbian and disbanded a guild due to her members being such.

What's great about her? Well.. my personal opinion is.. Her AFKness is her greatness.. The more she's NOT there, the better off we all are! And for that.. I thank her.

All sillyness aside.. I don't really like her. She's annoying, obnoxious and manipulative and lacks common intelligence. She judges people where she has no right to judge and either is a great actor or a complete idiot with her "I'm really in my 30's but act like I'm 4" scenerios. For Gods sake, the first time I met Boglwe she was upset because someone pulled her hair and was actually going to petition them.. She deserves an eye roll, nothing more from me. However some people really do like her. I have no clue why, but she is a veteran of the game (even if she hasn't actually PLAYED much) and has rubbed some people the right way.

I wouldn't tune out if I heard Tarryk give her props, because I can understand why.. and being a DJ, and being diplomatic and fair to everyone, given the situation I probably would have given her the same props out of respect and professionalism that people expect.

Please remember one thing. We are DJ's. Just because we don't like someone doesn't mean we don't play their songs. We can't be overly anti-anyone on air. We are kind to our listeners, we are kind to our competetors and we are kind to our enemy's. GSP has always been and will always be this way towards everyone in every situation. We don't press our views on our listeners (hense why we talked very little about the upcoming election and politics). We ride the fence because we have to.

Thats just my two credits. I'll need to borrow it back eventually so don't spend it all in one place.

[Stichboy]

Just thought i'd distract this topic a little by pointing out some really important things.

and has rubbed some people the right way.

Wheres my rubbing b**ch!?

[Tarryk]

hense why we talked very little about the upcoming election and politics

*hides*

[Boinky]

Well first things first. Tristalyn, girl you know you gotta have your new Avatar up by now!

Now about where this has led, lots of talk about sexual preferences & certain statues opinions as well as others & their reactions, not really going there much. I never knew that about Boggy. Barely know anything about the person behind the statue and thats fine with me, I don't care that much about her/him whoever.

I am not a Boggy worshipper, but I appreciate her existence on Rubi-Ka. She's a landmark, an icon of sorts. Say what you will about her, but she has at least become the most noticeable, most recognized resident of Rubi-Ka IMHO. Take that any way you want.

Now imagine there is a park by where you work where you go for lunch most days. In this park is a statue. The first time you saw it your reaction was "That is one ugly statue!". But the park was a nice spot to go for lunch so you kept it up. After awhile you start not having a vile feeling for the statue. You start to get used to it, it's part of your daily routine. One day coming to the park you are sitting there and suddenly realize the statue is gone. You have a gut reaction of loss and almost miss it. Oddly you wonder why the statue you retained the memory of severly disliking would cause a sense of loss to you when if you had the power in the beginning you would've had it struck from the planet.

That's sorta my take on Boggy. Whether ya lover her or hate her, she's that statue. She had been absent in the past and it was kinda disheartening. There is a certain table in Newland City that nobody else may care about, but has special meaning for me. If FC changed the city setup and it was removed I'd be severely miffed. There might be other landmarks of one kind or another that have meaning for the folks on Rubi-Ka. If the disappeared I'm sure they would be missed as well. Boggy is a Rubi-Ka Landmark. Anything other than that is a separate thing from where her fame comes. Pretty much as Trist said, Boggy isn't famous for anything she has ever done, she's famous for not doing anything. Everytime she does anything (talk, move, etc.) I'd treat that as the player & not the Landmark.

Now apart from all that, I would say I think what Bogs has done is 1) something I would never do, if for the most part I wouldn't pay for an AO account to have a char sit motionless all day, every day & 2) a cheap way to get attention. It screams of "Look at me! I stand here all the time and never move(well I do sometimes, but rarely in the historical sense). Worship my pink Clanner butt. Bow down to the greatness that is me!

Analyzing it that's my take. But though I have no real knowledge of the person behind the icon, and no desire to worship the person or the Landmark, I would feel a sense of loss if the Landmark was gone.

There's my few credz or so. Go roll some mishes with em ok

[Oddysee]

*Looks at all the drama caused by a little girl in pink and white...*

*Walks off, hands in his pocket, while lazilly whisteling Nick Kershaw's "The Riddle"...*






Tm

[Nexeus]

My two cents take it or leave it:

Gridstream Productions is your source of online enterinament on the world of Rubi-Ka. Therefor (IMO), the opinions of Gridstream as a whole may not and must not be discriminatory against any one person, group or faction based on their belief's, hatred, or otherwise negative attidude towards others. However, listeners will be subject to removal from its services based on attitudes, actions and comments that are extremely harmful and negative towards Gridstream Productions, its DJ's, as well on or throughout its services that it provides.

Translation: Basically we DJ's and gridstream productions cannot discriminate against someone's beleifs or actions (regardless how we feel about it), but if they act against Gridstream Productions or it's people, etc that's a different problem.

Mind you this is just my honest opinion and probabbly holds no weight as a whole amongst GSP as a whole. This opinion of DJ Nexeus does not reflect that of Gridstream Productions.

[Mumon]

So the player of Mumon comes down from his mountain to talk (Ok so he goes down to the basement to type).

First let me assure you all, I have heard the whole story of Boglwe and placed it all togeather. Also let me assure you that I have only taken it with a grain of salt because I am sure that some people could easily be misinformed or simpley telling lies.

I have seen the word homophobic being tossed around alot, and I have to ask does it realy matter? I mean seriously does someone's opinion of gays realy affect you that much?

1) You are gay and you just want to be treated just like everyone else.
2) You have gay friends and you want them to be treated just like everyone else.
3) You know no gay people and you just want them to be treated just like everyone else.

These are three simple reasons that you might care that Boglwe hates gay people. Might be more, but lets just work with these for now. Now here is the sad sad truth...

Gays are treated just like everyone else.

Sure JoeShmo might treat gays differently than he treats straight people... but you know something

BobFranky treats old people differently than he treats young people.
SueApples treats blacks differently than she treats whites.
BettyV (She's a made up artist that had her last name legally changed to just the letter V) treats rich people differently than she treats poor people.
Tarryk (A made up name of a DJ for a radio station, and no relation to the Tarryk on GSP) treats people of one political party differently than he treats people of anouther political party.

Now mind you simply here I have stated differently. BobFranky might be nicer to old people than he is to young people (Helping the old person up stairs or out to their car), or he might actualy do things less nice to one group (Oh this guy looks young I think I'll try and charge him to much for this car... oh this guy looks old, I don't think I can trick him as easily).

The fact of the matter is that in the long run it dosen't matter what your opinion is of something because as one of my old managers used to say...

"Opinions are like ass cracks. We all have them and nobody cares."

So Boglwe hates gays. I don't care
So you hate people that hate gays. I don't care
So Tarryk thinks that Bush should not be president. I don't ca... ok so I do care about that one. But I say what I said before the election again. Bush looks more pesidential and that is why he will win. I don't think that's why he should win, nor do I think that he should or shouldn't win, but he will win because he looks more like a president. There now I don't care anymore that Tarryk doesn't want Bush to be president.
So Cowtipper likes to tip cows. I'm a cow monster, do I care? Nope not one bit.
So people moo at Cowtipper, when I started the whole mooing thing. Do I care. Well actualy yes. I hold a bit of pride in the Moo because it's a gag that I started and I think that everyone that Moos is being unoriginal. But will I let that change the fact that I like most of you? No not realy. I'm not original all the time either.

Yes, I'm a big ball of I don't care, I don't give a shit, and I don't give a rats ass. Why then do I type this.

BECAUSE WHILE I DON'T CARE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE BOGLWE, AND THAT OTHERS DO, I DO CARE ABOUT THE ANGER. I CARE THAT YOU FIND IT NEEDED TO TELL EVERYONE AND YOUR BROTHER ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NONE OF THIER BUSINESS. I CARE THAT YOU DO NOT RESPECT PEOPLE ENOUGH TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND THEM. I CARE THAT YOU THOUGHT IT NEEDED TO AIR YOUR DURTY LAUNDRY OUT IN PUBLIC.

But does that stop me from liking you or Boglwe. Nope.

[GSPGROUPIE]

Okay, not like anyone cares. Hell, I don’t. This sort of reminds me of an afterschool special. You remember those movies right? Where the unpopular kids complain about the popular kids, yet they’re always waiting for said popular kid to ‘accept’ them.

Not saying you all are doing that, but if she/he/it is so hated why bother bringing it up? Just send the girl/guy/it a tell and let them know how you feel if you’ve really got the craving to voice resentment. This was suggested one time by Switchfront, I think it’s a good idea IF you’re looking to ‘tell it like it is’.

The DJs are DJs and they’re human. I’ve noticed, being the GROUPIE and all, that sometimes they comment on stuff out loud. Sometimes it makes sense. Sometimes I wonder why they said it. But you can’t tell me that you’ve never done that yourself; just said something out loud for no real reason but to say it.

No, this isn’t an excuse or reason, but I don’t think we should hang the DJs either. They provide us with entertainment. They dedicate their time to us for us. I’m not brown-nosing or kissing ass, I’m just saying it’s common sense. “Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don’t.”

Back to Boglwe, I have my own opinion of the statue in Borry, but that’s my opinion. I’m not saying you should zip-it, because you have that right. But this forum isn’t here for bashing others, or at least I don’t feel it should be here for that reason.

Opinions yes. Bashing no.

Example of good: “I like/dislike Boglwe”
Example of bad: “Bogwle is a …..”

Anyway, this is just the GROUPIE’s point of view. It’s not intended to start a flame war on me. But if you MUST let me have it just send me a PM since the GROUPIE has no name in-game to /tell.

;P

“All hail the mighty conch shell!”
-SpongeBob and Patrick-

[Vallikat]

Ok, I had to really think back on this, because the break up of AOL happened over a year ago. However, from what I recall from the chat logs posted to the AO forums, I was not left with the impression that Boglwe is homophobic or broke up the guild over a hatred of gays and lesbians. From what I recall, a number of guild members wanted to have the guild listed on web site shich lists gay and lesbian friendly guilds. She was opposed to this action. She felt that AoL was many things and that she didn't want them to be labeled as a gay and lesbian guild. From there things took an ugly turn. It seems to me that it was apparent that there were a lot of things going on that could not be seen strictly from reading the chat logs provided. I say this because I remember that things started to blow up and accusations were being tossed out without, at least from the evidence presented to the public, any corroboration. Much like this particular thread. Anyway, it seems to me that she made what she felt was a valid choice and her guildmates all said "fuck you, you homophobe" and she said "alright then, you want it this way and I don't so, you take the guild, I'm out."

Now, I have a question for those who claim that Boglwe is a homophobe. If that was true, why in the world would she join a guild that is lead by an openly lesbian woman and is populated by a significant number of lesbian women (I can't really speak for whether there are any gay men in the Roses, but not to my knowledge)? It defies logic that she should make this choice when there are so many other guilds out there. It defies logic that she should make this choice when she could just start another guild of her own. So why would she choose the Unity Of The Rose to join if, as some of you state, she hates lesbians?

Is she manipulative? Yes. I've witnessed it myself. However, I have yet to see a time when she pushed to get something done that it was not for a good cause. Also, Boglwe isn't all that active. Yeah she can be pushy when she does decide to do something, but honestly, if she's not hurting anyone, is it really that big of a deal to do her a favor in the short amount of time she's on the move? Not to me.

Has she ever intentionally harmed anyone? Not to my knowledge. I could be wrong, but for someone that we would all agree is afk for the majority of her time, I find it hard to believe that she could possibly have the time to have stirred up so much animosity.

Has she unintentionally hurt or harmed anyone? Probably so. But who hasn't? Not that I'm one to go quoting the bible, but, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I find it insanely ironic, not to mention hypocritical, that the same person who has gotten up on her soapbox about respecting each other and recognizing the person behind the avatar is the same person who has no respect for another person's opinion or right to state it.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry to have dredged this up to respond to it. But I didn't see it until it was too late last night to begin typing. I felt that it deserved a response, as did Boglwe.