Girls Just Wanna Have Fun

[Negs]

Yowza

[Psyloche]

some quite famous weapons, but i cant help but feel that shotgun is an abomination. No military value, no hunting value, just an gangster weapon.

[Negs]

some quite famous weapons, but i cant help but feel that shotgun is an abomination. No military value, no hunting value, just an gangster weapon.

See now i'm a fan of the shotgun, especially for a more novice user short range, where you have some give with your acuracy. However, that girl just butchers it.

[Decavolt]

It's a riot gun, kids. Short, stubby, and a wide-open choke to spread shot all over the damn place. They certainly have a purpose beyond "gangsta", ask any city cop.

[Reet]

Also good for when those zombies are getting way too close to pick off one by one.

[Firia]

Jeez! I'd be scared outta my gorde of my hair getting cought in any moving parts in this guns. Like the shotgun pump dealie, or something. Pull that crap back!

Of course, blond pig tails at a firing range is just asking for attention.

[Decavolt]

Jeez! I'd be scared outta my gorde of my hair getting cought in any moving parts in this guns.

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing. Not so much for the shotgun, but for the big ass automag rifles with bolts ratcheting back and forth.

[Aaox]

some quite famous weapons, but i cant help but feel that shotgun is an abomination. No military value, no hunting value, just an gangster weapon.

my cousin walks around iraq with a 12 gauge shotgun, carries six rounds at a time. trust me it has military value.

and the shotgun an abomination??? haven't you ever seen evil dead???!!

[Decavolt]

There's nothing quite like a 12ga when you absolutely need to blast a giant mofuggin hole in some shit without having to aim.

[Nicodar]

There's nothing quite like a 12ga when you absolutely need to blast a giant mofuggin hole in some shit without having to aim.

Hand grenade.

[Phanna]

Woah... gimme that bipod MG, and I promise I'll have some fun... hehe.

[Nicodar]

Woah... gimme that bipod MG, and I promise I'll have some fun... hehe.

I'm sure that'll void the warranty...

[brudus_maximus]

I love the PS90 I want the civilian version so bad.

[Dedojo]

Shotguns have no military use?!? Shotguns are heavily deployed in all branchess of the modern military, from close quarters fighting use, to just being one hell of a skeliton key.

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_fire ... otguns.php

[FoxyJama]

My parents keep a riot gun in their home as personal protection, and I do the same. As a pump action 12 gauge, it combines the most recognizable sound in the world with the realization that I don't have to aim it to hurt you, I just need to be pointing it in your general direction. For home protection, it's invaluable.

And shotguns have no place in the military?? Have you ever heard of a Mossberg shotgun? They aren't just for duck hunting. Give me a break!

[Psyloche]

Decavolt, i know. Its just i feel an good old fashioned shotgun is even better suited for any police, than the thingy there. Its from the start of the most lethal and damaging weapon i know of, so i see no use in reducing its range accuracy by making it shoot in wider angle, specially without shoulder support.

[Decavolt]

Decavolt, i know. Its just i feel an good old fashioned shotgun is even better suited for any police, than the thingy there. Its from the start of the most lethal and damaging weapon i know of, so i see no use in reducing its range accuracy by making it shoot in wider angle, specially without shoulder support.

Reducing the shotgun's effective range from 40 yards or so to 20 isn't much of a reduction at all. The only way to increase it's effective range beyond that is to use slugs rather than pellets.

For shoulder support, a 20 gauge barely kicks at all (a .38 revolver handgun kicks a hell of a lot more). A 12 guage has a lot more recoil but even then, shoulder support is pointless unless you're looking for extended accuracy at long ranges.

The "good old fashioned shotgun" is just too damn long - what good is a full rifle-length weapon to an officer? It would have to be kept in the trunk rather than the cab (no quick access), and it's length would make it utterly useless in any close-quarters situation. If the officer doesn't have room to bring a full rifle-length weapon to his shoulder, it might as well be a nerf bat. It's not effective and just gets in the way, which could get him killed.
Think of trying to weild a full-length farmer Bill shotgun inside of a small urban apartment. The officer wouldn't be able to walk around a corner with the thing at his shoulder without running into walls. That's why riot/combat shotguns were issued in the first place - no stock (just a pistol grip) or a folding stock and a shorter barrel so that it can be brought to bear much faster and in smaller areas. They're also used a lot with breaching rounds - ammo that's literally built for blowing doors open. I sure as hell wouldn't want to try any of that with a 34 inch barrel in an apartment building while some crackhead with a Kalashnikov is just around the corner. My bet is that most field officers feel the same and that's why they keep nice short and portable shotguns mounted to the dash of their cruisers rather than a long barrel attached to a ski rack on the roof above their lights.

[Psyloche]

The shortened barrel ive got nothing against, but id prefer keeping the stock, since any shotgun of today can be used as an hand held weapon anyway, but an solid stock could also double as close combat weapon. My fathers 20 gauge shotgun (yes, an farmer Bill gun) got slightly too long barrel to be an perfect street gun, but an 50 cm thing with an pump mechanism pointing directly outwards dont look good, when the user flails it around by the recoil, its even missing solid hand grip, since its an pump gun.

Compared, the "bob" gun of my father, is an semi automatic 7 shot mag gun, who means if i used it, id need an bigger space to aim, but had semi automatic firing, and id shoot shots fast, and had better aiming when my hand grip is solid and not moving. Reloading it should be quite fast, even if i cant imagine any living target requiring more than 7 shots (exacly atm the gun is resting outside my bedroom, he he, think im sleeping safe).
In the hands of my father, he'd be able to aim superb at moving targets with good aim, if some crackpot desided to break into an house of an family known for having most members being exellent hunters, and many training karate/tae kwon do.

What more special, is the hunter rifles the locals "bob" farmers use for moose hunt, is using same bullet as an kalashinkov or M16, exept the hunting rifle got quite good aim, and extreme longer range, specially compared to kalashinkov (and twice the amount of explosive propelling it).

Norway is quite unusual, in some ways. Its an living hunting tradition who go long back, and i only know of some native american's who got more traditions for it. Its also hunt for FOOD, not for trophies, so its maybe more guns here than is reguar in USA, but, the violence is lower. The regual "farmer bob's" also serve in the army, and got both hunting and army experience, usually, im just one of the few who havent army experience (i got an slightly lower hearing on some frequencies, so i got judged as unfit to serve army duty, and sent home).

The other difference: self defense weaponry is not legal. its no way at all anyone here is getting an gun for self defense purposes. But aquiring hunting rifles is legal. The american way of guns is so alien its almost as weird for most here to hear from africans buying M16's and chase lions and hyenas (an guy here, somalian refugee, have chased predators with plain automatic weaponry, as those in the vid. ).