Gay Marriage Rights

[Josellynn]

-Firia-

Speaking of the sign that you saw. Here is a link for anyone that is interested. If you are not interested then please don't click on it .
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

-Jairyn-
Thank you for the link!

[Oddysee]

I am going to be severely disappointed if the reason I returned to AO (Gridstream) allows the Bush-bashing and anti-American connotations to continue. This is a radio station attached to a game, not a real life issue, let's keep it that way please.

It is a general discussion forum... GSP is all radio, aye, but peeps talk... S'what forums are for.

[...]if any regulation on couples should be made i think it should be an i.q. test prior to any breeding[...]
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[...]Nobody is forced to read any thread here... if there was a thread called "bush r0xx0rs" i would read it only for the laughs it would bring, not because i expected to agree with any of the posters. would it be alright if i was a clanner in game instead of omni? would it be ok if i opposed the corporate leaders then?

Synn... Will you marry me?




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[Synnastacia]

sorry Oddysee, but that's exactly what this thread's about... even if i wanted to, i could not marry you. but i think my g/f would be pissed if i told her i was leaving her for some guy i met online. lol

[Oddysee]

sorry Oddysee, but that's exactly what this thread's about... even if i wanted to, i could not marry you. but i think my g/f would be pissed if i told her i was leaving her for some guy i met online. lol

Aww... Sure?... Oh well, I guess somehow my GF would have my head as well... (both of them really).

And I DID loose my tongue piercin for her... So...
Well, anyway, it's great to see I'm not alone on those views! Finally!




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[Tacz]

I say we make same-sex marriages legal EVERYWHERE in this U.S.. Then, take away the tax breaks for married couples (straight or same-sex) that dont have children. Thats WHY they have tax breaks, is to raise children. Once a couple has/adopts a child, they get the tax break for their childrens sake.

[Synnastacia]

i can agree with that, tacz, give everybody the standard marriage responsibilities and such, but kill the marriage tax breaks for those couples who have no children. if you have no children there is no reason why these two people should get a tax credit over these two who are not married... it's become a bribe by the government to not divorce for some reason. of course...don't forget the iq tests before giving permission for that couple to breed, the world doesn't need more unattractive and unintelligent people for the sake of a tax break.

why can't those in the customer service fields be given a tax credit while we're at it, large ones for those of us in the tech support field? i was previously there and those workers really need something to look forward to while they talk to people on the phone who use the convenient drink holder that pops out of the computer when you push the button, let alone the people still searching for the "any" key...

[Firia]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/apl ... 20Marriage

Funny. It was held not 3 blocks away from my friend Ericks place. Some of you may know him as Meik, or Miek or something. ^_^

I wish there were photos on the artical.
The Seattle Time, a bigger news paper company, didn't even touch on the subject. I couldn't find one snippit about what happened in seattle. They touched breifly on california's marriage licence acts though.

[Ichyro]

What sadly is failed to notice, is that America is not land of the Free and equality.

There was no freedom or equality for Blacks back in the 1800s.

There was no equality for Irish back at the turn of the century.

And there is no equality for Homosexuals.

And there has never been Freedom here. Liberties, yes, but not freedom (And I dont mean literal freedom). We have some of the most freedoms of the world, true, but that means nothing. Its like saying your's is the most hairy head when you have only two hairs on it and the rest are totally bald.


Sure, it was said during the Englighenment period that citizens need to give up some liberties and so on for security, a balance, if you will. But this is regardless of that, and homosexuals are no threat...especially, they are no threat to "marriage"...above all, of legal standards.

Tell me, whats the difference between them, just by sexual orientation?

I think that....

I think that if Firia and I got married then we'd corrupt Marriage a hell of a lot more than if gay marriage was allowed.

What I mean is that as many on here agree, theres nothing homosexual marriage would do to continue the corruption of marriage.

Infidelity, divorces, abusive spouses or wives, marriage just for making the woman pregnant...the list goes on.

All we need is multiple wives or husbands and we're probably set for corrupting and poisoning any sort of holy (Isnt religon supposde to be separated from the Goverment? ) "Purity" of marriage.

We're not a democracy, were a republic.


But thats for another rant, another post, another time....

We're sure as hell not equal if Gay couples are not allowed to marry. Thats really all thats to be said.

[Tacz]

American shit isnt the only shit that stinks.

I think we all need to remember that before we leave the country *cough*.

*sides with Ichy* If all men are created equal, then why do we need affirmative action?

*sides with just about nobody* Besides same-sex couples, who, right now, by law, is considered a second class citizen?

*sides with just about everyone* We need to legalize same-sex marriages, but take away the tax benefits for ALL couples that are not child bearing.

[Firia]

There are other benifiets to a marriage.

Say your partner got into a really bad car accident and is in critical condition. Only spouces and immediate family are allowed to see this person, who may slip away in the night.

You're not, by law, considered to be either of those (unless.. your partner is family. ).

Also there's Health Insurance benifiets. And with a jacked up healthcare system in the US, you NEED this. W/o it, your partner in critical condition would be allowed to slip away in the night because s/he couldn't shell out the cash.

Also Inheritance. This isn't such a Biiiig deal. Esspecially if you leave a will. But by default, your possessions and debts and such go to your family. Specificly your spounce which is considered your closest other. So despite being partners for say, 25 years or whatever, you still wouldn't be entitles to anything of your partners.

There's alota talk about tax breaks like this is the only boon to marriage. There are other things. I'm personally more concerned about the Hospital Visitation part than a whatever percent break in taxes.

[Firia]

Also, before I forget (because I did ^_^)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ly15m.html

That sign in the picture has bush saying; "Quick, I have to find a way to distract the nation from Iraq." And the picture is Bush thinking REAL hard.
The backside says "Keeping a queer eye on the stupid guy." Same picture.

[Boinky]

Laura Bush says gay marriages are "a very, very shocking issue" for some people, a subject that should be debated by Americans rather than settled by a Massachusetts court or the mayor of San Francisco.

"I don't really have to watch everything I say because I'm pretty well-behaved."

(and somewhat unrelated) "He knows that he served honorably," she said. "He knows that he showed up the whole time."

Those of you over the pond can be thankful you don't have to shovel this kind of crap(unless maybe you live in England - bad Mr. Blair)

[Katy]

Posting a reply a bit late because... well because I'm just not that together I guess.
Just found this on my LJ, had to link it because it cracked me up, and it sorta has something to do with the issue at hand


12 reasons why gay people should not be allowed to get married

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.


Credit for this wonderful piece goes to the Gator GSA. The original is at http://www.gatorgsa.org/gaymarriage.html

And thats pretty much my two cents.
--Kayten

[Ichyro]

Very funny.

It was ruled by Arnold to cease and desist on the gay marriages, because there was some sort of legal doohicky (They changed legal documents, and while they were legally married, they didnt turn in some sort of thing, I forgot what).

[dfclock]

well, kayten. where did the gay ppl come from if strait couples didnt make gay kidz and god wouldnt create gay people. i support gay marrage, cause it's a lot more peaceful than most strait marrages, and produces moral children who are inteligent, integris and knowledgeble. for, gay couples treat eachother like equals, for they are the same sex. unlike most strait couples where the husband will beat the wife when she doesnt do what the husband say or when the woman thinks shes supposesd to be lower than the man. the children of strait couples will tend to lean on only one side and do not have good views of the sex of the parent that was beat. the children of gay couples will take the equal way their parents treated eachother in their gay marrage, and adapt it in a strait marrage, or gay marrage, both helping the world more balenced.


all races of humans thought they were the only kind in the beggining, and that lead to violence and hatred that still lives today, what a disgrace we are...

[Katy]

erm... dfclock... you DO know that the list I posted was a joke, right? Every one of the "reasons" on there was pointing out the stupidity of the "reasons" sited by the government/religious nuts thus far.
It was irionic. Which is why it was funny.
--Kayten

[Firia]

i support gay marrage, cause it's a lot more peaceful than most strait marrages, and produces moral children who are inteligent, integris and knowledgeble.

I'm going to disagree.
Gay doesn't equal anything more than sexual orientation. All other human flaws still exist. Stupidity, immorality, drunks, violence, it's still a problem that sexual orientation doesn't solve.

for, gay couples treat each other like equals, for they are the same sex.

Again, I disagree.
Like I said, homosexuality is a sexual orientation. Discrimination is still a prominant issue. You might be surprised to find that it's a different brand. Terms like "Breeders" for straight folks. Not to mention that Trans(gendered) people have it tough with queer and straight people.

Cutting through discrimination comes down to the individual. Gender or sexual orientation has zero to do with anything other than who you love sexually.

PS - Katie was quoting heavy sarcasm. Super hillarious might I add.

[Oddysee]

unlike most strait couples where the husband will beat the wife when she doesnt do what the husband say or when the woman thinks shes supposesd to be lower than the man.

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(Previous exclemation wasn't all that nice...)

Sorry dude, but where on earth did you get that from? Most straight men beat their wives? WTF?!? Try a MAJOR minority and you might be on to something.
I'll have you know that according to recent studies made in the US, England, and central Europe, 56% of all household violence is commited by women. They get away with it, because society still wont accept that females can hurt a child/pertner for the same reasons as men. Anger, desperation, attention. And as such, they plead insane, and get away with it or people shake their head in disbelief and say they don't believe it!

And also, gay people make better kids? WTF? They make the same kids as everyone else, as Fir' so nicely put it. What you prefer in bed has absolutely NOTHING to do with how you raise a child.
The president's kids don't become president's (Thank god). Playmates don't only breed playmates (Sadly) and retarded people might have super inteligent kids... And vise versa!

It's coo' that you have an oppinion, and I think it's coo' you say what you mean, but it doesn't hurt to think about what you write dude...

And yes Katy, that was hilarious!




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[dfclock]

I got Told. well, i guess i have been given that image from mainstream media, in many movies, or the ones that i tend to see, theres that kina stuff in it. gives you false ideas. also, im 13, dunno shit and i wanna look like i do.


thankz for teh correction!

[Tacz]

Umm... Are you relating being 13 with not knowing anything? *cough*