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Postby Ichyro » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:45 pm

http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2003/Lord-of-the-Rings_ROTK/trailer-page.html

O_O

I hear theres an online game...even if its nerfed, I think Rubi Kai will take a back seat. :D

Well...Um....go watch the trailer, or something. XD

Looks great, I hope they do not fuck up like they did in The Two Towers.



Wow

Matrix Revolutions looks very nice too. Granted, I am in the fantasy mood as of these times, and to spare Tarryk from killing me, I will not relate a quick thought of a slight rip off of Lotr by Matrix (Then again, the matrix was influenced by many..many things...), so I will make it blunt.

It looks good, but some CGI scenes seemed to make the human appear to be from the final fantasy movie, not the matrix.

http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2003/Matrix_Revolutions/trailer-page.html
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Postby Sylvatic » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:07 pm

I saw Luther this weekend...

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Postby Boinky » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:24 pm

Sylvatic wrote:I saw Luther this weekend...

*ducks*


The special effects in that really tanked IMHO :wink:
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Postby Jassel » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:37 pm

oooo.. looks good.. I haven't seen the second one yet.. maybe I should go rent that.....
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Postby Tarryk » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:54 pm

I hear theres an online game...even if its nerfed, I think Rubi Kai will take a back seat.

Wow, deja vu.

Well, when it comes out, remind me to say "seeya in a month!" Wouldn't wanna break the cycle or anything. :)
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Postby Ichyro » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:18 pm

:D

Actually, I already said goodbye to it. Reading back in PCG, and beyond...

Only the north is open, so in a way, only dwarves, Rivendell elves, hobbits, and the minor nations of the north.

Only four races, yet the ability to be evil...there were no real evil dwarves, I Think, and humans could only fit in with making sense.

If they open up mass PVP, the sort that allows me to be a Rohirimm Rider or a Uruk-ai in Mordor, then yeah, I'll head there, but only if it can actually contain a slightly smaller Helms deep, or Pelennor Fields (Return of the king) battle.

Hell, I doubt anyone will even make a easterlending or Haradrim evil human, let alone anything else.

Oh, and the use of magic like a gun too. :) Honestly, to be fully true, everyone would need to be fairly weak, more like a soldier than a leader, and barely any mages.

It seems to borrow elements of Everquest, AO, and DAOC, while adding in soem things, and seeing a gamespy video...*Shudder*
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Re: .....Precious!

Postby DethAngel » Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:46 am

Ichyro wrote:http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2003/Lord-of-the-Rings_ROTK/trailer-page.html


Looks great, I hope they do not fuck up like they did in The Two Towers.





Exactly how did they fuck up the Two Towers?

And yeah, I've read the book(s). I read them after watching the first two movies. Partly because of curiosity, and also to hear why some "hardcore" fans were complaining about this or that.

I'd be happy to discuss it :).
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Postby Ichyro » Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:57 am

Biggest point was Faramir.

Instead of the wise, and actually good hearted man he was, they make him into waht boromir was, a easily seduced by power being, who wants the ring above all.

The Wraith riding dragon thing was another, in that if he knew of the rings existence in osgilath bridge (Whatever its called), it meant Sauron would, and frodos mission would be in vain, to be secret.

Theoden butts heads with gandalf, not aragorn.

The elves never went to Helms deep to aid the Rohirrim.


Major Changes from the Book to the Film


This section takes a look at some of the more fundamental ways that the movie differs from its source material. These are changes that modify the underlying structure of the story in important ways, or introduce events that never occurred in the original book.

Perhaps the most obvious and significant difference is in the way the various storylines of The Two Towers are presented. Tolkien's original was literally divided into two books: the first tells us the complete story of Aragorn's adventures in Rohan and the overthrow of Isengard, and then the second returns to Frodo and Sam, and concentrates on their journey through the borderlands of Mordor. It was Tolkien's hope that a movie version of the book would preserve this separation of the story. Of an earlier attempt to film the book, he wrote, 'It is essential that these two branches should each be treated in coherent sequence.' (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 210, dated 1958, with original italics). Nonetheless, it is perhaps not too surprising that the current movie version follows a more conventional approach, cutting between the various storylines as they develop, rather than treating them as entirely separate.
In both of the story strands, the movie finishes much earlier than the book. Tolkien's The Two Towers covers events in a period of seventeen days, but the movie only deals with the first thirteen of these, losing about eight chapters of the book in total. If rumours are to be believed, some of these missing events will be transferred to the opening scenes of The Return of the King.
The film contains several sequences that are entirely the invention of the film-makers, with nothing directly comparable in the books. Perhaps the most extensive of these is the battle between the Rohirrim and the Wargs on the road to Helm's Deep. That battle is unique to the film version, as are Aragorn's subsequent adventures (he falls into a river which sweeps him away from the others, and eventually spies the armies of Saruman approaching before riding to Helm's Deep).
Similarly, the entire sequence showing Elrond's remonstrances with Arwen, and Galadriel's commentary on events, occur only in the movie version. None of these characters appear anywhere in the original book. The idea behind this sequence seems rather at odds with Tolkien's intention - in the book, there is no question of Arwen sailing away from Middle-earth, nor of Aragorn thinking she might do so - these two had long since 'plighted their troth'. While the movie suggests the real possibility of romance between Aragorn and Éowyn, then, this is quite unthinkable in the original book.
The story of Frodo's meeting with Faramir has been radically modified. Tolkien's Faramir is one of the most insightful and compassionate characters in the book, intelligent enough to divine the importance of Frodo's mission, and to let him continue without hindrance. In the movie, he's lost all these qualities - deciding to take the Ring to Minas Tirith, he drags Frodo and Sam some forty miles out of their way, allowing a Nazgûl to discover the Ring in Osgiliath, before he realises he's made a mistake.

In fact, the idea of the Ring being revealed to one of the Ringwraiths in Osgiliath threatens to undermine the entire plot. The whole purpose of Frodo's mission is to bring the Ring to Mordor in secret. His only hope of success is in Sauron's ignorance of the Ring's whereabouts, but here we seem to see one of Sauron's slaves discovering its exact location, and on the very borders of his master's realm. It's not completely clear how Frodo survives this encounter - no such dangerous and foolhardy adventure occurs in the book.

Addendum
The feedback we've had on this point suggests that it's worth exploring in a bit more detail. A lot of people have pointed out that Sauron already knew that the Ring was in the hands of a hobbit, and would have expected it to be on its way to Minas Tirith, so its appearance in Osgiliath, only about twenty miles from the City of Gondor, wouldn't have made a significant difference to his plans.

Actually, at this point in Tolkien's original story, we have a clearer idea of Sauron's beliefs about the Ring than this suggests. He knew about Saruman's capture of the hobbits beneath Amon Hen, and assumed that one of these had been the Ring-bearer. Through Saruman's palantír (in a scene that hasn't yet appeared in the movie version) he says, 'Tell Saruman that this dainty is not for him. I will send for it at once.' (The Two Towers III 11, The Palantír). Soon after this, he discovered Isengard had been overthrown, and so would presume that the Ring was in the possession of the Rohirrim, out of his reach at that time, but far from Minas Tirith, too.

The situation presented by the movie would overturn all these presumptions, suddenly presenting him with the Ring all-but unguarded on his own borders. Of course it's impossible to say with certainty what would have happened in a situation like this, it's also difficult to believe that it wouldn't have affected Sauron's actions in any way at all. Having presumed the Ring to be hundreds of miles away, he would suddenly have found it on his own borders - a few minutes' flight for the Nazgûl, and with a huge army stationed just a few leages away at Minas Morgul. Given this extraordinary opportunity - the key to victory dangled in front of his grasp - Sauron would surely have made some attempt to recapture it.

In both the book and the movie, the Ents are motivated to attack Saruman in Isengard, but the details of how this comes about are strangely different. In the book, the Ents gather in Entmoot to discuss the destruction Saruman has been wreaking on their forest, and finally decide that they will attack him in Isengard. In the movie, the same meeting takes place, but the Ents decide that they won't attack. Merry and Pippin then manipulate Treebeard into witnessing the destruction of the forest, causing him to change his mind and summon the other Ents to war.

The logic of the film version is rather difficult to follow. If Treebeard didn't already know about Saruman's destruction of the forest, why was Entmoot called in the first place? If it's necessary for the Ents to hold a council before going to war, why is it that Treebeard can single-handedly overturn their decision? Even more curiously, after walking for miles through the forest away from the other Ents (remember that they had decided not to attack Isengard) Treebeard has only to call them, and they step out of the trees in unison, ready to charge. All in all, Tolkien's version of this plotline seems to make more sense.
Finally, a word needs to be said about Éomer, whose role in the movie has shrunk to almost insignificant proportions. In the book, he is one of the key characters - after King Théoden is healed by Gandalf, he is made heir to the kingdom of Rohan, and remains with Théoden from then on, fighting beside Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in the defence of Helm's Deep. In the original, Helm's Deep isn't relieved by Éomer (who is already there), but by a quite different character named Erkenbrand. In the book, too, the Ents have a part to play, though the altered logic of events makes this impossible in the movie version.




Bit of a read, sorry
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Postby Firia » Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:59 am

*/me doesn't care enough to bother caring. about movie/book discrpencies*
I enjoyed the movie pleanty. ^_^
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Postby Ashval » Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:54 am

*agrees with Firia*

It's an epic, beautifully done movie that is more loyal to the writer than most. I don't quibble.
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Postby Nexeus » Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:18 pm

*creams himself hard watching the new matrix trailier*
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Postby Darth Bootay » Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:42 pm

I am not going to go onto the long rant my close friends have long since been subjected to about the mess the LotR movies have made of Tolkien's original masterworks.

Let it suffice to say that while I can understand condensing down a lot of events and eliminating and downplaying a number of important characters to make what is truely a LONG saga fit into a viewer's endurance levels, I can NOT stomach all of the crap storyline injected into the films to pander to the mainstream need for over-the-top love interests and the percieved need for bigger better battle and chase scenes. The original story provided PLENTY of huge-scale chase and battle. The fact that the love interest was thrown in our faces in such an unsubtle and un-true-to-story fashion was more than slightly insulting both to me as a viewer and Tolkien as the original writer. But since Tolkein is in his grave and I made the mistake of paying full price to see the movie in the theater, the moviemakers couldn't give a rat's rearend about how much they messed it up.

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Postby Mummu » Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:56 pm

why u r rantin?
i ve never been in the movies, just seen them at home.
and even the 1 hour download time with my FLAT was to EXPENSIVE for that crappy piece of shit!

yeah i COULD write in a goo dmanner and give good reasons for my opinion, but i dont think the list will fit fully on this server.
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Postby Ichyro » Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:07 pm

I never complaned. :D

I love the movie, granted I Did not read it, but those little problems are of no matter. Its a wonderful epic, perhaps my favorite movie, and I love it so much.

In the book? Helms deep was 17 pages.

Without that, the Two Towers would have been much less "Interesting".
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Postby Oddysee » Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:11 pm

I'm pretty sure it was more than 17... but who knows... it's been a while... maybe I should read it again...

I'm not gonna comment the movie, as we've had that rant. Yes! I think it's epic and startling... but I dissagree with some of the liberties he's taken, as I imagine many fans of the book do... but I guess it was inevidable...



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Postby Jassel » Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:37 pm

I never read the books.. only saw the first movie..

I'm not sure if I would like the books though.. it seems to be something that I would prefer the movie for...
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Postby DethAngel » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:43 am

Well, I think it would be impossible to make a movie following the books exactly. And the changes they made worked, I thought.

There were actually two types of Ents in the books. The Ents in the movies have an appearance that seems to have merged the two types (one was less like a pure tree in appearance, but was the ones that interacted with the main characters. The others looked a whole lot like a real tree, but had no direct verbal interaction with the main characters and were in fact a bit more "wild").

Remember the time Gandalf first went to the Shire, then said he had to go look up info on the Ring? Then he goes off to some library-like place and finds out about it, then returns to tell Frodo "we gotta get the Ring outta here"?

Well in the movie that took, how long you think....a few days? In the books, that took SEVENTEEN YEARS. Gandalf was gone 17 years...how odd would that have been to put in the movie? Think about it.

Remember when the gang went to Galadriel's forest? In the book, they stayed there two months. Try showing in the movie why they are loafing around, while danger looms.

The book is pretty much full of long-ass pauses, taking great lengths of time to complete this or that. I totally love the books, I'm just saying that weeks, months or years pass in between certain things happening.

There is no way to convey this into the movie. Simply put, changes had to be made.

The Ents dont attack Isengard the same way in the books. In the books, they went up to the front gates and banged on them a few minutes. Then thought about what to do, then broke them down. Then the Ents took an entire half day or so AWAY from Isengard to go re-direct a river's path there.

The way they did it in the movie fit better, for a movie. And it still accomplished the same goal.

There really is no point to hardcore book fans nitpicking about changed details, because there simply isnt any way to make a movie exactly like the book with all details perfect and STILL be under 10+ hours and not boring in many parts.

Anyway, I'm glad I can read the books and watch the movies both :)
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Postby DethAngel » Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:02 am

Ichyro wrote:I never complaned. :D

I love the movie, granted I Did not read it, but those little problems are of no matter. Its a wonderful epic, perhaps my favorite movie, and I love it so much.

In the book? Helms deep was 17 pages.

Without that, the Two Towers would have been much less "Interesting".


Yeah, I heard that complaint that Helms Deep part was 17 pages so it shouldn't have been such a big part of Two Towers.

The amount of pages really has nothing to do with how important it was. In the book, it was the key thing going on at the end of book 2, leading into book 3. It is essential, because it's where Isengard's army falls (a key point to it all).

The way it was portrayed in the movie, with all the battling and whatnot...that was in the book (even more in the book then in the movie in fact).

Remember, you can travel hundreds of years in a single sentence in a book. The amount of pages reallyhas nothing to do with "time" or importance in a movie sense.
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Postby Jassel » Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:47 pm

From what I heard... The movie for Lord of the Rings followed thebooks very well...

that would be the only instance I ever saw a movie follow a book though.. I read "Where the Heart is" before it went to movie, and they totally mess it up in the movie.. they changed facts, that had no reason to be changed, they left out key scenes, and changed scenes around like you wouldn't believe. The movie wasn't bad.. but the book was far better and the movie would have been better had they just followed the book. That's one reason why I chose to either see the movie or read the book.. I rarely do both.
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Postby Mummu » Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:54 pm

Jassel wrote:I read "Where the Heart is" before it went to movie, and they totally mess it up in the movie.. they changed facts, that had no reason to be changed, they left out key scenes, and changed scenes around like you wouldn't believe.


exactly like with lord of the rings.

the movie itself if standing alone wouldnt be bad.
but cuz there r the books, and movie and book have nothin in common,
the movies are just frell.
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