A new season of LOST has begun. Therefore a new thread. Please use this thread as a way to bash LOST if you must, and also the place to say how much you don't care about LOST.
With that said, Nice Season 3 Ep1. Ben, Juliet, Stephen King, Sarah, Jack, Kate, Bears>Sawyer, Carl, Zeke....Book clubs? Aquarium hatches?
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by Gridfan » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:02 am
I stopped watching after the first season really.
This series will go on for as long as the writers want!
They'll kill off people to keep ratings up, and they can almost sneak
revalations in for as long as they want (it's one fucked up island afterall),
and fresh blood (new stranded people or more "others") can be added.
The perfect ending to the entire LOST series would be the following...:
That big guy (the one who found the numbers, he's still alive right?)
is the only surviver, alone at the top of the island. the camera pans around him focusing on his face, he looks at horror at something that we can't see.
Suddenly he screams, covers his face. and the screen fade to black and we hear horrible sounds of things happening.
Silence
and then a single line of text is shown on the black screen, with white text:
"And then there was none."
roll credits.
This series will go on for as long as the writers want!
They'll kill off people to keep ratings up, and they can almost sneak
revalations in for as long as they want (it's one fucked up island afterall),
and fresh blood (new stranded people or more "others") can be added.
The perfect ending to the entire LOST series would be the following...:
That big guy (the one who found the numbers, he's still alive right?)
is the only surviver, alone at the top of the island. the camera pans around him focusing on his face, he looks at horror at something that we can't see.
Suddenly he screams, covers his face. and the screen fade to black and we hear horrible sounds of things happening.
Silence
and then a single line of text is shown on the black screen, with white text:
"And then there was none."
roll credits.
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by Sporkleet » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:09 pm
lol I stoped watching when that scarry white haired monster was a damn polar bear. It was like going to see Nightmare on Elm st for the first time and having the movie ending be that this was all a result of sleeping pills and too much wine on an average soccermom. story ending with that 
The secret is that there is no spoon... that there is no fork... there is only the spork.
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by Otori » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:46 am
It's a shame you stopped watching after the first season, as it was mearly a set-up for a much bigger and widescope story. It has actually developed into quite intelligent science fiction.
As for a "white haired monster", no clue what you are talking about. There was a polar bear, but it was never a mystery that it was indeed a polar bear. The island was home to some animal experiments many years ago, hence the polar bear.
If you have the time or inclination Gridfan, I would suggest renting Season 2, as I think it would be right up your alley.
As for a "white haired monster", no clue what you are talking about. There was a polar bear, but it was never a mystery that it was indeed a polar bear. The island was home to some animal experiments many years ago, hence the polar bear.
If you have the time or inclination Gridfan, I would suggest renting Season 2, as I think it would be right up your alley.
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by mijk » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:12 am
Otori wrote:It's a shame you stopped watching after the first season, as it was mearly a set-up for a much bigger and widescope story. It has actually developed into quite intelligent science fiction.
If you have the time or inclination Gridfan, I would suggest renting Season 2, as I think it would be right up your alley.
Point one: I don't feel it's more intelligent. They are still working my the morsel theory, in that you get a morsel of info and some dramatic music with someones face in closeup. But it is still interesting to a point and with their new budget I like the new props and stages they've built. But intelligent science fiction would be stretching it a bit.
I have been pestering Gridfan since Lost started to get on the wagon. All he does is gulp down every anime show he can come across. He has declined any Lost offers many times over so save your fingers the work. He isn't biting.
But the fact that they have exposed "the others" as being well established descendants of Dharma employees and very civilised is uplifting and a little break from the jungle fever in the last season. Proposing that the ending should be Hurleys death is both uneducated and dumb. I believe that it still has much to offer and why would you want it to end? It's only entertainment, not religious doctrine.
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by Gridfan » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:05 pm
Um..! Mijk, who's preaching now?
Anyway, I think you missed my reference...
"And Then There Were None" by Agatha Cristie
I was just suggesting that when the series end, a ending like
"And Then There Were None" would fit well in my eyes as that is the kind of endings I don't mind as an alternative to happy endings.
I never said anything about the series should end this season or not.
I can't really be upset either cause it almost seems like you are talking to another me here...*scratches head*
Did my ending idea of Hurleys kicking the bucket upset you that much,
or do you sit with the final ep of the series draft in your hand?
It is not like the Lost writers will run with my idea, don't worry. (I doubt they even visit this forum) so I'm confused of this name calling!
What was so uneducated and dumb about my series ending idea?
I would have expected something like "nah, bad idea" or "good idea" or "nah it would be better if it ended like....."
But, uneducated and dumb? That one deserves some explaining! (and benefit of the doubt)
Anyway, I think you missed my reference...
"And Then There Were None" by Agatha Cristie
I was just suggesting that when the series end, a ending like
"And Then There Were None" would fit well in my eyes as that is the kind of endings I don't mind as an alternative to happy endings.
I never said anything about the series should end this season or not.
where'd that come from? Being uneducated about Lost I can tolerate, but dumb? You know me better than that I hope Mijk.Proposing that the ending should be Hurleys death is both uneducated and dumb
I can't really be upset either cause it almost seems like you are talking to another me here...*scratches head*
Did my ending idea of Hurleys kicking the bucket upset you that much,
or do you sit with the final ep of the series draft in your hand?
It is not like the Lost writers will run with my idea, don't worry. (I doubt they even visit this forum) so I'm confused of this name calling!
What was so uneducated and dumb about my series ending idea?
I would have expected something like "nah, bad idea" or "good idea" or "nah it would be better if it ended like....."
But, uneducated and dumb? That one deserves some explaining! (and benefit of the doubt)
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by Otori » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:40 am
mijk wrote:Point one: I don't feel it's more intelligent. They are still working my the morsel theory, in that you get a morsel of info and some dramatic music with someones face in closeup. But it is still interesting to a point and with their new budget I like the new props and stages they've built. But intelligent science fiction would be stretching it a bit.
The dramatic essence of the show is certainly there, but that has nothing to do with me pointing out the science fiction aspect of what is happening (Your "morsel" theory). It's not just some random island that a plane crashed into with a bunch of people trying to survive. There are "magnetic" anamolnys, hints that some corporation has it's hands in a social experiments, unexplained connections between key characters, and scientific methods being (or at one time) employed. There are theories on the "numbers" ranging from quantum electromagnetic implosion to the Rainbow Project. A lot of instances of Tesla's work has been hinted at including the Rainbow Project. Tesla claimed to have used these concepts to unify the fields in a dynamic theory of gravity. He never published his claims but they nonetheless spawned an entire pseudo-science of scalar electromagnetics. Proponents believe that gravity is really the force of longitudinal electromagnetic waves affecting space-time in the fourth dimension.
The writers have done their homework, and there is no doubt that the story being told is one of a "Science" or "Science Fiction" nature. So please exclude the "dramatic" portion of a one hour long weekly show as just being some sort of mystery they are feeding us morsel by morsel, just to get us to come back. Carlton and JJ Abrams both admitted they pitched this series to ABC as a "real life Survivor story" just to get it into production. They KNEW were they were going with it.
mijk wrote:But the fact that they have exposed "the others" as being well established descendants of Dharma employees and very civilised is uplifting and a little break from the jungle fever in the last season.
I think that is quite the assumpton, as by no means have they related the "Others" to Dharma in the slightest way. In fact, I believe that is exactually what they want you to think. All the Dharma films are very dated and it seems to be that the projects of Dharma are long outdated, and we may have just the leftovers of the several generations long after Dhama, and gone quite awry.
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by Firia » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:46 am
Chaimera wrote:i like Lost, i dont care if people love it or hate it, but its better than that stupid ass American idol crap
that's what I like to hear.
These shows are all opinion after all. Like em or not, sorta deal. ^_^ Not everyone has to share the same opinion afterall.
although Otori's debate here is miiighty interesting.
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by mijk » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:41 am
Gridfan: In a deeper sence it's "another you" talking to "another me". It wasn't wholly made in offense. But the statement was nevertheless uneducated based on just having watched season one lightly without taking to the story. Ten little indians sitting in a tree, one had to go inside and watch lost. And then there were nine.
It is clear in the LOST mythology that the world outside the island still plods on with it's daily activities. And for that it would be highly illogical to take the old nursery rime of ten little indians and adapt and ending from it. There are close to 100 characters in the whole Lostiverse about now and they would loose most of their viewers should they kill off everyone over a period of time. Not the way to keep a show alive and a bad buisness proposal.
Otori: pseudo-science is not science by far. The show still keeps me entertained but it's not because there is awesome science involved. It's the human interaction and the sociology that is interesting. The science stations are little more than props in the overall storyline which is very simple: There is one established tribe of "civilized" humans which are exposed to other arriving tribes through "incidents" and the result of their interactions and display of human nature under pressure. For example the dolphin area where Jack was contained. If that was originally an underwater aquarium type observational post how was he able to flood it with just opening one door? There had to be some design-flaw by the scientists (or a shortcut by producers?). It's a show about people on earth trapped on an island with very territorial inhabitants. What little we get of floating lethal clouds, number series and "research" stations can be discussed to death by people who have knowledge about advanced physics but I highly doubt that the mechanics are what they really work out during the brainstorming sessions. For me the interesting part really is the "drama" and the coin-flipping of the captive becoming the captivator and the idividual reactions to stress and pressure. Not what the surrouding sets can explain to us.
Ofcourse there are anomalies of every kind, but now that "the hatch" has imploded or worse we did not get any more info on that then we already knew a long time ago, there was no science nugget for us to chew on and savour.
I read a one sentence post somewhere about Lost a while ago that MYSTERIOUSLY sums up the last episode to the point:
"OMG Jack lookout! LOST!"
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When I said well established I was referring to within the islands ecosystem with a little suburb in the middle of the jungle and nice clean clothes and book-clubs. That woman in "the aquariums" reference to times having changed or something and no-beard man's bear comment shows that they aparently know what most of/if not all of the stuff is for.
They are most likely not the scientists themselves, but they have the same information that they had.
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I can only conclude that discussing about lost would probably be comparable to a script writing session for the same show, time consuming and confusing. And I have to go to work in 5 minutes. =/ But I would like to conclude that I enjoy the show and the entertainment it gives.
It is clear in the LOST mythology that the world outside the island still plods on with it's daily activities. And for that it would be highly illogical to take the old nursery rime of ten little indians and adapt and ending from it. There are close to 100 characters in the whole Lostiverse about now and they would loose most of their viewers should they kill off everyone over a period of time. Not the way to keep a show alive and a bad buisness proposal.
Otori: pseudo-science is not science by far. The show still keeps me entertained but it's not because there is awesome science involved. It's the human interaction and the sociology that is interesting. The science stations are little more than props in the overall storyline which is very simple: There is one established tribe of "civilized" humans which are exposed to other arriving tribes through "incidents" and the result of their interactions and display of human nature under pressure. For example the dolphin area where Jack was contained. If that was originally an underwater aquarium type observational post how was he able to flood it with just opening one door? There had to be some design-flaw by the scientists (or a shortcut by producers?). It's a show about people on earth trapped on an island with very territorial inhabitants. What little we get of floating lethal clouds, number series and "research" stations can be discussed to death by people who have knowledge about advanced physics but I highly doubt that the mechanics are what they really work out during the brainstorming sessions. For me the interesting part really is the "drama" and the coin-flipping of the captive becoming the captivator and the idividual reactions to stress and pressure. Not what the surrouding sets can explain to us.
Ofcourse there are anomalies of every kind, but now that "the hatch" has imploded or worse we did not get any more info on that then we already knew a long time ago, there was no science nugget for us to chew on and savour.
I read a one sentence post somewhere about Lost a while ago that MYSTERIOUSLY sums up the last episode to the point:
"OMG Jack lookout! LOST!"
....
When I said well established I was referring to within the islands ecosystem with a little suburb in the middle of the jungle and nice clean clothes and book-clubs. That woman in "the aquariums" reference to times having changed or something and no-beard man's bear comment shows that they aparently know what most of/if not all of the stuff is for.
They are most likely not the scientists themselves, but they have the same information that they had.
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I can only conclude that discussing about lost would probably be comparable to a script writing session for the same show, time consuming and confusing. And I have to go to work in 5 minutes. =/ But I would like to conclude that I enjoy the show and the entertainment it gives.
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by Chaimera » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:36 pm
hahahaha i love it!! from a weekly tv show to a pissing contest!! now THERS some drama!! who will have the longest stream?!! which one will have the yellowest tint!! tune in next week for some more cliffhangers!! and of course everyones favorite!! who had the largest(insert some body part/fluid here)!!!!!
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by Traanse » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:42 pm
Oh oh, I know! *waves hand around vigorously* medulla oblongata!! Wait... does pissing count as an involuntary vital function? No, no... I guess not... not unless you've got some real issues that I don't wanna know about. O.O
If you can read this, Traanse trapped me in her signature. She hasn't fed me in days! Hello?
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by Tarryk » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:48 pm
*yoink*
I still haven't even seen a single episode of Lost. Been considering Netflixing that first season, though, just to see what was so crazy about it. Because the detailed first-two-season synopsis in a recent Maxim didn't exactly paint a pretty picture. Made it look more than a bit garbled, like a bunch of conspiracy theorists were making it up as they went along.
Alas, that's what I got out of a Maxim synopsis, so I'm fully aware that it's probably a bit exaggerated. I'll at least check out the first couple episodes here pretty soon...
I still haven't even seen a single episode of Lost. Been considering Netflixing that first season, though, just to see what was so crazy about it. Because the detailed first-two-season synopsis in a recent Maxim didn't exactly paint a pretty picture. Made it look more than a bit garbled, like a bunch of conspiracy theorists were making it up as they went along.
Alas, that's what I got out of a Maxim synopsis, so I'm fully aware that it's probably a bit exaggerated. I'll at least check out the first couple episodes here pretty soon...
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by Otori » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:46 am
Chaimera wrote:hahahaha i love it!! from a weekly tv show to a pissing contest!! now THERS some drama!! who will have the longest stream?!! which one will have the yellowest tint!! tune in next week for some more cliffhangers!! and of course everyones favorite!! who had the largest(insert some body part/fluid here)!!!!!
I just thought of it as harmless fanboi discussion. Next time I'll take the deeper approach.
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by mijk » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:09 am
Tarryk wrote:*yoink*
I still haven't even seen a single episode of Lost. Been considering Netflixing that first season, though, just to see what was so crazy about it. Because the detailed first-two-season synopsis [and] made it look more than a bit garbled, like a bunch of conspiracy theorists were making it up as they went along.
That is DEAD ON what it feels like to watch lost. But much like getting drunk and throwing up you just can't seem to help yourself. Just make sure you have as many EP's as possible so you don't have to shout: "FUCK YOU JJ ABRAHAMS!" after the episode is done and you go looking for a new one.- mijk
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