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If there are any other NIN fanatics out there, this link is for you...

http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html

This song is just too damn catchy.

Crushproof wrote:This song is just too damn catchy.

yes. way too damn catchy. this is not my nine inch nails. this is not the trent reznor i love. i guess he is getting old though, not everyone can be al jourgenson.

*starts spreading a rumor that nin has gone "soft" in hopes of another broken-style ep*

Demongirl wrote:

Crushproof wrote:This song is just too damn catchy.

yes. way too damn catchy. this is not my nine inch nails. this is not the trent reznor i love. i guess he is getting old though, not everyone can be al jourgenson.

*starts spreading a rumor that nin has gone "soft" in hopes of another broken-style ep*

I disagree.... actually it sounds like some of the earlier stuff. Reminded me of PHM in a lot of ways. I've only listened to it once but I approve!

The only WTF thing from that video is... since when does Trent Reznor work out? Did anyone else notice how ripped he looked? o.O Not what I expect from Trent, I expect skinny and pasty! lol

See now, I'm down with this song. The "too damn catchy" comment I said I meant in a good way, the song has been stuck in my head all day!

With the exception of one song, I've liked everything that Trent has put out. The guy just writes good music. He's had a lot of different takes on it over the years, but overall he does a great job. I can't wait to hear what the rest of the album sounds like.

it's nin, i'm sure it'll grow on me like the last double album did, i've been a fan waaay too long and i'd probably buy it even if i didn't care for the sound of any song on it, the man writes good music. i'm trying to see people dancing to it in my fav club and i can't quite hear this song blaring, guess it'll have to be a remixed more solidly agressive sounding version. hearing it again i rather like it, it's just the chorus vocals/music change that makes me uncertain how i feel, that's what lost me the first time i tried listening. i'm afraid the release will be overshadowed by the new vnv nation cd coming out next month and it may take me longer to get used to it so hopefully he doesn't go all atmospheric on us again.


i need to know, crushproof, which song was that anyway? the exception i mean.

I usually keep my mouth shut about NIN, but I cannot hold back any longer. Trent Reznor and NIN is an embarrasment to the post-industrial genre of music. In 1998, when he decided to rip Bill Leeb and Front Line Assembly, he bit the hand that feeds him. Reznor basically exists to commercialize the real old school "Industrial" outfits. He prolly listened to one song each of Throbbing Gristle, Neubateun (sp, I suc), Psychic TV combined, and then he decided to rip some FLA, Skinny Puppy, and a little Front 242 all in one swipe. I just go insane when NIN gets love, because Reznor is nothing but a HACK. I could get real philosphical on this, but I'll just let it float with this for now.

Otori wrote:I usually keep my mouth shut about NIN, but I cannot hold back any longer. Trent Reznor and NIN is an embarrasment to the post-industrial genre of music. In 1998, when he decided to rip Bill Leeb and Front Line Assembly, he bit the hand that feeds him. Reznor basically exists to commercialize the real old school "Industrial" outfits. He prolly listened to one song each of Throbbing Gristle, Neubateun (sp, I suc), Psychic TV combined, and then he decided to rip some FLA, Skinny Puppy, and a little Front 242 all in one swipe. I just go insane when NIN gets love, because Reznor is nothing but a HACK. I could get real philosphical on this, but I'll just let it float with this for now.

Elitism is soooooo cool.

Demongirl, Starfuckers is the song that never really sat right with me. The song just never seemed to fit with the rest of his music. Nice ink btw... I still rock out Get Down Make Love all the time.

Otori, ouch man. I don't have a problem with you saying that Nails borrows from a lot of other music. They do... but so does every other composer who has ever written a bar.

As for the "hack" comment... jeez, that's a term I reserve for Ashlee Simpson. Reznor writes for and plays all the instruments featured in his music, and the guy sings. I'm not sure how you can define someone who does that as a hack.

I was able to catch a couple other songs off the new album, fear not, "traditional" or more "familiar" NIN will come

Song called "The Line Begins to Blur" freakin PWNZZZZZZZZZZ

just saying, don't lose hope (although I freakin love the new song) for those I saw wanting more familiar NIN, there's definitely some coming

I was also able to check out "Getting Smaller" which I think kicked some ass as well, but really hard to describe a song unless you're one of those writers from a major music magazine or something.. hell they half the time mis-describe a song too.. so hey.. sorry i wasted your eye muscles

i've loved nin since i heard them back in the pretty hate machine days... the man has some talent, but strangely i've really never thrown them in a category with those such as skinny puppy and throbbing gristle, because i hate to think how quickly trent would be owned. it'd be like throwing any newer punk in comparison to dead kennedy's, you just can't do it.

crushproof: the club i go to would play get down make love nightly back when i started going there.

Yes i like. though it sounds rather mainstream... you GOTTA get the attention of listeners, then they can hear all the cool stuff you MEANT to do when they buy the cd


And to everyone who says they didnt really like waht he did after "broken"...

NYAH!!! I like almost every track on " The Downward Spiral " , not because its the first album of his I'd heard, but it was the creepiest shit I'd heard period up to that point, each sound and texture was just ominous and cool. (lets not go into who whoever thinks he's ripping off)
I get called a poser for that (grrr!) but hear me out.

its rather ironic, actually, a pal and i were discussing this whole "After Broken" thing. Broken was done to get the hell out of his contract with the label, (interscope?) and so he could start his OWN label, thus the tons of remix cd's after.
so people who bitch about everything else past Broken make me chuckle.
The minute you really get to hear him put his balls on the line for what he REALLY wants to produce, you gripe about how it doesnt sound like Broken.... ARF ARF ARF!!! Really, he's not singing about his ex-girlfriend anymore so now WE are depressed??!?!

Demongirl wrote:

i'm afraid the release will be overshadowed by the new vnv nation cd coming out next month

NO.












If he gets atmospheric, then rah-rah-rah. its called CREATIVITY,
and that is EXACTLY what VNV nation lacks.

Aameul wrote:

Otori wrote:I usually keep my mouth shut about NIN, but I cannot hold back any longer. Trent Reznor and NIN is an embarrasment to the post-industrial genre of music. In 1998, when he decided to rip Bill Leeb and Front Line Assembly, he bit the hand that feeds him. Reznor basically exists to commercialize the real old school "Industrial" outfits. He prolly listened to one song each of Throbbing Gristle, Neubateun (sp, I suc), Psychic TV combined, and then he decided to rip some FLA, Skinny Puppy, and a little Front 242 all in one swipe. I just go insane when NIN gets love, because Reznor is nothing but a HACK. I could get real philosphical on this, but I'll just let it float with this for now.

Elitism is soooooo cool.

OMGF ROFL!!!!!!

omg *cries* lol, whew...

I know the rant, and I know your feelings on it Otori, but also have to say... I've never agreed with you on it. Being influenced by your contemporaries is a far cry from stealing ideas from them.

Otori wrote:He prolly listened to one song each of Throbbing Gristle, Neubateun (sp, I suc), Psychic TV combined, and then he decided to rip some FLA, Skinny Puppy, and a little Front 242 all in one swipe.

Oh please. The same could be said about each band that you've mentioned, with the exception only of Einstuerzende Neubauten because Blixa Bargeld is just a weird mutherfucker. It's pretty damn hard to be part of a certain genre without being influenced at all by the other players in that same genre.

Otori wrote:I just go insane when NIN gets love, because Reznor is nothing but a HACK.

I think you go insane because of an unnatural hatred for NIN, just because Reznor has acheived a level of success and notariety that brings him out of being underground and subversive, and into the mainstream. That's not much different than loving band X, then hating them as soon as your friends hear them and start to like them as well. Talent is talent, wether it's popular or not... and Trent Reznor isn't an idiot, a theif, or a hack. He's not a god either, nor god's gift to music... but the man has some talent.

Crushproof wrote:Demongirl, Starfuckers is the song that never really sat right with me. The song just never seemed to fit with the rest of his music.

I never liked that one either. For me, it was always WAY overshadowed by Hanzel und Gretyl's "Starfucker". Yeah, the only thing they have in common is the title and one word in the chorus, but H&G's is so much harder and heavier that I still a hard time liking NIN's as much.

/me states opinion and gets called an elitist ??

Once again, I'll just stfu

This is what I get for not reading a thread.

I have to agree with Otori. wtf is with the totally uncalled-for hate put on Otori for expressing a valid opinion?

Personally, I agree with him. Trent is a loser hack, and if it's true that:

I think you go insane because of an unnatural hatred for NIN, just because Reznor has acheived a level of success and notariety that brings him out of being underground and subversive, and into the mainstream.

Then I want you to think of every mainstream artist that you dislike because they sold out (metallica, spears, whatever), and immediately apply that statement to yourself. Even what we call "pop" today started as a practically underground form of music.

As far as I'm concerned, Pretty Hate Machine was a great album, and everything since was commercialized crap. Not that I'm opposed to commercialized crap (hell, I love Spears' new album), but I can't stand any of his other albums, and I AM opposed to goth-industrial wannabes. EL at night is not fucking goth, get a job Trent, or go live with Marilyn Manson's parents.

I don't see anyone "hating" on Otori. Jeez, it's sacrasm people. Is it no longer ok to poke a little fun at people with whom you're having a serious discussion, with the intent of lightening the mood? I don't think an oversized, and therefore comical, smiley followed by a tongue-in-cheek one-liner should be enough to pummel anyone's emotions here.

Tarryk wrote:

Decavolt wrote:I think you go insane because of an unnatural hatred for NIN, just because Reznor has acheived a level of success and notariety that brings him out of being underground and subversive, and into the mainstream.

Then I want you to think of every mainstream artist that you dislike because they sold out (metallica, spears, whatever), and immediately apply that statement to yourself. Even what we call "pop" today started as a practically underground form of music.

I don't dislike Metallica because my friends started listening to them. I dislike them because everything after the Black album is monkey shit (and yes, I still do like what came before), because I heard James Hetfield crying in an NPR interview about how he's in therapy because no one loves him, and because Lars Ulrich is an annoying little dicksmack.
I don't like Spears, now or ever. Nor do I dislike bands for "selling out". The entire concept of hating a band for being successful is just moronic to me. So applying what I wrote to myself, as you suggest, just reiterates my point.

Personally, I say spoon it. Every spooning time someone talks about an artist, there's always some spooning spoon head that's got to spoon the conversation up and spoon all over my spooning fork.

So spoon everything. Spoon Trent Reznor. Spoon VNV nation. Spoon spooning forkhead ... I lost my spooning steam.

Fork.

I like and hate Reznor. That spooning retard forkhead.

I like the song. I like NIN. I'm gonna stay out of the rest of this...LOL

well i'm done here, too many people's panties in a bunch i see. sorry epi, but i love nin all of the albums ( except things falling apart *shrug*) but my least favorite thing is the melodic bits he should have put on the same cd of the double album instead of intermingling them with the actual songs, not the music just how he released it, i bought the quake demo for the reznor. lol. vnv lacking creativity? hardly. but trent is faaaaarrr from godhood so don't be hatin' on other bands like that. sh*t i just said i may not be listening to the new nin as much as i'd like to because the new vnv is coming out. vnv and wolfsheim are at the top of my list these days, trent needs to earn a place back in my fav's and all the fans(haters) here aren't helping. lol

you think you're evil but you're not
still sucking life from the mainstream
it's so deluded give it up

edit: " The Downward Spiral " , not because its the first album of his I'd heard...oh you're one of those people. j/k epi, get off my ass, i'm the one who mentioned broken and it was damned good, as was the downward spiral. after the downward spiral is when i sorta lost nin... if i was looking for melodic atmosphere i'd turn to dead can dance. i simply found other bands i liked more than what he was doing at the time. yet i still bought all those halos and i still listen to them. i don't care if you "sell out" as long as i like what you're doing i'll listen.

Demongirl wrote:well i'm done here, too many people's panties in a bunch i see. sorry epi, but i love nin all of the albums ( except things falling apart *shrug*) but my least favorite thing is the melodic bits he should have put on the same cd of the double album instead of intermingling them with the actual songs, not the music just how he released it, i bought the quake demo for the reznor. lol. vnv lacking creativity? hardly. but trent is faaaaarrr from godhood so don't be hatin' on other bands like that. sh*t i just said i may not be listening to the new nin as much as i'd like to because the new vnv is coming out. vnv and wolfsheim are at the top of my list these days, trent needs to earn a place back in my fav's and all the fans(haters) here aren't helping. lol

you think you're evil but you're not
still sucking life from the mainstream
it's so deluded give it up

edit: " The Downward Spiral " , not because its the first album of his I'd heard...oh you're one of those people. j/k epi, get off my ass, i'm the one who mentioned broken and it was damned good, as was the downward spiral. after the downward spiral is when i sorta lost nin... if i was looking for melodic atmosphere i'd turn to dead can dance. i simply found other bands i liked more than what he was doing at the time. yet i still bought all those halos and i still listen to them. i don't care if you "sell out" as long as i like what you're doing i'll listen.

ow ow ow !! ok ok. I can totally understand that your PERSONAL interest in NIN would be overshadowed by VNV nation coming up.
and yeah all the halo's have a little birdhouse in my soul (who am i quoting?)

trent isnt a deity, but he's teh secks. too bad i dont like thin guys with long hair...

not to put too fine a point on it
say i'm the only bee in your bonnet
make a little birdhouse in your soul

A wonderful little song about a nightlight. lol
Now everyone can get along and pogo, no mean people in the pit this is happy music. One of my first concerts was the John Henry tour, damn was it fun. not fun in a KMFDM pit during A Drug Against War fun or Lords of Acid love pit fun, but a happy friendly nobody gets hurt in this pit fun.