Firefly MMO? :o

[Lauri]

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72263-0.html

Shiny!?

[Mivat]

Just read the article, and I do have to say that my interest is piqued. However, the fall-height in this is considerable, and the devs will be crucified and then handed over to the Reavers as a late-night snack if the end product doesn't fit the bill. But interesting? Hell yes.

[Narcotic]

i definately have high hopes, but this is indeed shiney

[Fishi3]

I like everyone who's ever played a MMorpg took one look at this and had a "Boing!" Moment where the idea that finally tools that will allow me to experiment with building that concept I've had but am unable to touch because I can't afford to hire programmers, designers and etc...

Sadly and unfortunately Multiverse is following the recent trend in Computer games of not supporting multiple Win* platforms. Multiverse will only run on XP. Personally given that MS is working on replacing XP I see this as a dead end approach. Everyone hates XP it's going to fade fast as soon as a viable replacement arrives. People generally only use it because it's what there is thats supported by MS. Given that dispite MS promises that no Operating System they make will go unsupported as a ME user I can definately tell you MS doesn't provide support thats worth having for their bypassed OS.

Net result is because I run ME and because A new OS is out next year I can't see myself getting XP.

Even though I love Firefly. (I finally bought the complete series box)
Even Firefly can't tempt me into investing into XP which is going to be the latest in the line of MS dinosaurs in a very short time.

The New MS OS is I understand going to be based on Win 98. Since Win 98 and XP always had compatability issues I'll lay odds that this will be true of the new OS as well.

My computer plans at this time are to buy a brand new system with all the bells and whistles when the new and supposedly gamer friendly OS is released. So I'll be skipping XP entirely.

[Mivat]

I don't for a second believe that Vista won't support Multiverse, Fishi. Any solid information to back this up?

With the real danger of de-railing this thread completely, I feel that I need to comment on a few other things in your post as well, since I find them about as smart as pogostick'ing in a minefield.

That Multiverse doesn't support the ME/98/2000-platform isn't all that strange, especially if it uses some of the newer things that is only present in XP and above. There's more and more games out now that demand XP as a minimum. The fact that Microsoft doesn't support ME anymore is another thing. ME was, and this comes directly from the mouth of Steve Ballmer, a mistake. True, not all users had issues with it, but it was for good or for worse a horribly broken product, the bastard-child of 98 and 2000, pretty much. Both ME and 98/95 has passed on to be the eternal huntinggrounds of OS'es in terms of support from Microsoft. That's business, pure and simple. It's a way to force you to choose between keeping an old OS but not have any type of support for it, or to buy a new one that will someday not be given any support as well.

When it comes to your statement that everyone hates XP, I will be as bold as to say that you are blatantly and horribly wrong, and that it is a gross exagguration to say this. I personally, and many XP-users with me, as run XP since the day it released without any problems apart from those caused by myself or the occational bad driver, hardware-device or virus. Vista will launch in the Retail-market in late January. Trust me, XP will stay on for many many years to come regardless of that fact, and Windows XP will still have the support from Microsoft for at least another 3 years. Latest estimates I've seen call for a gradual withdrawal of support-options from 2010 and onwards. At that time, XP will have been on the market for almost 10 years, which makes it one of the longest-living software-products in the history of computers.

The New MS OS is I understand going to be based on Win 98. Since Win 98 and XP always had compatability issues I'll lay odds that this will be true of the new OS as well.

I'm sorry to say this, Fishi, but in THIS case you're so far out in the fields that I'm not even sure on how to comment it. I'm torn between laughing my ass off or breaking down crying.

[Gridfan]

As far as I understand Windows ME is the worst Windows release.
(with 98SE and XP Pro being the two best)

As for Multiverse only supporting XP, I doubt it.
They'd kill them self if they didn't make it run on Vista,
and things that run/are made for XP should work without issues on Vista (if stuff are coded properly)

Also, if Multiverse runs on XP it should work on Win2000 as well, simply due to the fact that Win2000 is actually Windows v5.0 (XP being v5.1, and 2003 is v5.3, Vista is v6.0).

Windows ME was released in 2000, it is now less than a month until 2007.
XP was released in 2001, even if you get XP today you should still be able to play most of the "new" games even in 2011. Personally I'd advise waiting until Vista's second release (or first service pack) before getting Vista. Most future games will either be DX9 or DX10 but with DX9 support at install so no major issue there. Funcom's Conan will be Vista and DX10 optimized but they'd be silly not to support XP.

I'm a programmer myself and sadly it is more work than needed and more issues and limitations trying to support anything older than Windows 5.0 (Windows 2000) the old 4.x (both 9x and NT variants) series is too limited. (like no Unicode support out of the box)

What really surprise me though, is Tarryk hasn't posted in this thread yet,
I thought he was Browncoat numero uno on these forums?

Out of curiosity I'm gonna run a poll to see what Windows OS people use:
http://www.gridstream.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=3

[Blaik]

As far as I understand Windows ME is the worst Windows release.
(with 98SE and XP Pro being the two best)

One of the customers of a network I was maintaining was a software developer for MS and got me and a couple coworkers in on the ME Beta testing. Ironically, their final release candidate was actually more stable then the final release that went to the presses. But the entire time it was plagued with god knows how many severe issues. The first two weeks of testing I did I ended up reinstalling the OS almost once a day. Even with the complimentary copy I received for all my help, I was still reinstalling it once every 3 months or so. It was nothing but poop before it left the gate.

[Tarryk]

I'm actually just a tiny bit disappointed (not having read this whole thread yet). Got told about this last week, and my first thought was "Damnit, I've been bugging FC to take this project since it openned up!" -- I'm reservedly interested thus far. Firefly MMO would make a FANTASTIC link-up between the wonders of Eve and the pacing of AO...but it would be really easy to screw up, and I don't know these guys very well, only that they've been involved in some free "Sims meets Second Life" type of projects, something to do with MMO game engines that are sort of half-open-source. Most of the time, that means for lower quality MMO releases due to severely low budget, and I do NOT want to see the Firefly MMO take that route.

[Blaik]

I'm actually just a tiny bit disappointed (not having read this whole thread yet). Got told about this last week, and my first thought was "Damnit, I've been bugging FC to take this project since it openned up!" -- I'm reservedly interested thus far. Firefly MMO would make a FANTASTIC link-up between the wonders of Eve and the pacing of AO...but it would be really easy to screw up, and I don't know these guys very well, only that they've been involved in some free "Sims meets Second Life" type of projects, something to do with MMO game engines that are sort of half-open-source. Most of the time, that means for lower quality MMO releases due to severely low budget, and I do NOT want to see the Firefly MMO take that route.

But at the same time, having the MMO somewhat open source might be a good idea. With the Firefly fan community as devoted to the Firefly world as they are, I think the developer that is working on this could benefit by working with them to create a game that is appealing to the majority of the fanbase, ensuring it won't die upon release. Granted I realize that's more of a pipe dream, and there are complexities to it that I'm leaving out, but maybe that's the way games should be heading...the fans helping build the game even as its being written.

[Tarryk]

...the fans helping build the game even as its being written.

Now that, I could live with. But only given that they actually ARE producing this to maintain the openish-source approach. From what little information the article allows, they've only stated that they're "using" their existing engine to run it, didn't say exactly how free the fans will be to help. And from the generic screenshots of that engine...well, I guess it sort of screams "second life" to me. And this may be just one lowly opinion, but...I hope to Goddess it's not going to be anything like that craptacular engine.

[Fishi3]

I never said I didn't think wouldn't support Vista. I'm just thinking that it's going to require a lot of work and likely a new version one Vista is released.

In any case it's a whatever issue. My point was and remains that I dislike the trend of current programmers and etc to not support old OS. Yes ME is the worst MS OS ever. Mind you I have a stable version and have only ever had to reinstall because a HD died.

Why would I hop about in a mine field on a pogo stick? Thats what children are used for.

In other news I belong to the if you can't post without being insulting don't fan club.

[Mivat]

I never said I didn't think wouldn't support Vista. I'm just thinking that it's going to require a lot of work and likely a new version one Vista is released.

If it supports XP, it will support most likely run just fine in Vista, as Vista is for the most part backwards-compatible. Yes, there are things that does NOT work in Vista, but still.

In any case it's a whatever issue. My point was and remains that I dislike the trend of current programmers and etc to not support old OS. Yes ME is the worst MS OS ever. Mind you I have a stable version and have only ever had to reinstall because a HD died.

Why support something that you won't make money from? That's what the companies are there for, you know.

Why would I hop about in a mine field on a pogo stick? Thats what children are used for.

Pogostick'ing in a minefiled is, unless you've noticed, not very smart. Parts of your post struck me as that smart.

In other news I belong to the if you can't post without being insulting don't fan club.

If you found my post insulting, then I suggest you read it again. My post was not ment to be insulting, but it was ment to show you where you were wrong in certain regards. If you find that insulting there is nothing I can do about it. And just because I actually happen to LIKE both XP and Vista, doesn't mean that I'm fanclubbing. Just because YOU like Windows ME doesn't change the fact that in many peoples eyes, not the leasts Microsoft's, ME is and was a mistake.

[Fishi3]

I see so being told that I'm just dumb enough to hop about in a minefield on a pogostick is somehow not supposed to be seen as insulting.

Wow obviously we have different views on whats insulting. In any case I'll let this drop since it's pointless to argue over something like this.

And I don't like ME. It just happens to be the OS I have that still has some form of support even if that support is ever diminishing.

Gee I guess MS's claim made when they made ME that they would always support their old OS's was meaningless. But then I never expected anything called a lifetime garentee(sp) to actually be valid for my entire lifetime.

[Mivat]

A lifetime guarantee in the computer-industry is only in rare cases longer than 5 years.

[Innari]

*cough*

And back on about the creation of the FFO MMO, I am looking forward to seeing what becomes of it...I'll have faith until I see otherwise.

[Tarryk]

Can't say that I have faith in the developers, but I certainly have faith in the fandom. I know that's one MMO I'll have to play, no matter how much it sucks, hehe.

[Innari]

Can't say that I have faith in the developers, but I certainly have faith in the fandom. I know that's one MMO I'll have to play, no matter how much it sucks, hehe.

Hell yes!

[Mivat]

Couldn't agree more, Tarryk. I'll just have a bucket of nails, two planks and a hammer ready for the devs in case it sucks

[Myz_Lilith]

Never mind all that Firefly nonsense!

There are rumours of a Fallout MMORPG being on the books!

*uberbounce*

(One of the main reasons I actually started playing Anarchy, instead of just using it as a way to have an avatar onworld while Lyk was DJing, was because it sort of reminded me of playing the original Fallouts...)

[Chaimera]

i cant wait for the Fallout game to come out sometime this decade, if Bethesdasoft pulls it off that is