If you thought the RIAA was evil before
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If you thought the RIAA was evil before
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:33 am... THAT'S FUCKED!!!!
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:38 amI have to agree that this is not a good thing to have happen, and will do nothing for the so called free world, however I do wonder if they have thought it through properly and have considered the damage that such a bill will have on the music industry itself.
radio stations / tv stations, have archives of music that they pull from, every time they use a track, it's cached.. are they going to be charged again and again for the same source track? sounds like it.. anyone see radio going all talkie and no music?
and that's just one example that I can think of.
radio stations / tv stations, have archives of music that they pull from, every time they use a track, it's cached.. are they going to be charged again and again for the same source track? sounds like it.. anyone see radio going all talkie and no music?
and that's just one example that I can think of.
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:53 amNah, I'm sure the RIAA will make special 'packages' for said stations. Afterall, nearly all radio stations in the entire country are owned by Fischer Broadcasting or Clear Channel.
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:58 amWow, that is a royal pain in the buttocks. Pay for a license of every song that you have.
If you havn't noticed, the US's economy is falling and quickly. Rise of gas prices leads to higher everything else. Mainly because shipping in semi's will decrease dramatically, stores will raise prices to make up for high prices of shipped goods.
I can't wait till Bush is out of office, all he's worried about is the war. Anyway, enough about politics even though this deals with it. This country is just full of greedy corprate f**** that want all the money in the world in their lap.
I heard on the radio (not sure which company it was) that a bunch of employees are getting a pretty large pay cut...the ceo's are getting like a .2% pay cut. It's all about money.
If you havn't noticed, the US's economy is falling and quickly. Rise of gas prices leads to higher everything else. Mainly because shipping in semi's will decrease dramatically, stores will raise prices to make up for high prices of shipped goods.
I can't wait till Bush is out of office, all he's worried about is the war. Anyway, enough about politics even though this deals with it. This country is just full of greedy corprate f**** that want all the money in the world in their lap.
I heard on the radio (not sure which company it was) that a bunch of employees are getting a pretty large pay cut...the ceo's are getting like a .2% pay cut. It's all about money.
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:33 pmConsidering the way big business is raping our bloody assholes, I wonder why we don't see a return to communistic thinking. I recall hearing awhile back on a webcomic that they also tried to somehow make cds that degraded each time it was played, so you would end up needing to pay for it more than once. You know..considering I'm not buying someone's tangible product (like art) but basically just their voice and sounds, I kinda think the price should go down - not up
Oh and Zarril, he's not that worried about the war - he's trying to bring back the right into his fold by blabbering on about no gay marriage.
Such a joy. to the west of me is corporations ruling me with an iron fist. To the right is religion. In the center is Socialist Europe which seem's to slowly be getting Tentacle-raped by the RIAA (Pirate bay's shutting down is an example of this).
Oh and Zarril, he's not that worried about the war - he's trying to bring back the right into his fold by blabbering on about no gay marriage.
Such a joy. to the west of me is corporations ruling me with an iron fist. To the right is religion. In the center is Socialist Europe which seem's to slowly be getting Tentacle-raped by the RIAA (Pirate bay's shutting down is an example of this).
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:35 pmFucked or not, I don't see this happening... It's impossible to controll.
It's a "nice" idea from their point of view and all... But impossible none the less...
The rest of the world wouldn't go along with it, and then what? So let's assume that I have a song here, on my Ipod, in Denmark and they find out... They can't sue me, because by the laws governing this side of the world, I'm in my right to have them. As you know, what's illigal in one state might be ok in another. So even if I visited, they wouldn't be able to sue me.
Now what would prevent people going on "vacations" to a neighbouring state or whatever, and using their music there. Then bringing it home. They can't tax you on it, as it's been bought and sealed under law in another place. You can't override that.
It's impossible to controll a thing like that, and I don't really believe they're even trying. Sounds like a bad prank, gone out of controll to me. I might be wrong, but even if I am, this will not take effect on a world wide basis. I feel very sorry for you guys if this becaomes reality, which I find hard to believe it will, but it wont touch the rest of the world, and their laws don't count here.
I'd not take this too seriously...
Tm
It's a "nice" idea from their point of view and all... But impossible none the less...
The rest of the world wouldn't go along with it, and then what? So let's assume that I have a song here, on my Ipod, in Denmark and they find out... They can't sue me, because by the laws governing this side of the world, I'm in my right to have them. As you know, what's illigal in one state might be ok in another. So even if I visited, they wouldn't be able to sue me.
Now what would prevent people going on "vacations" to a neighbouring state or whatever, and using their music there. Then bringing it home. They can't tax you on it, as it's been bought and sealed under law in another place. You can't override that.
It's impossible to controll a thing like that, and I don't really believe they're even trying. Sounds like a bad prank, gone out of controll to me. I might be wrong, but even if I am, this will not take effect on a world wide basis. I feel very sorry for you guys if this becaomes reality, which I find hard to believe it will, but it wont touch the rest of the world, and their laws don't count here.
I'd not take this too seriously...
TmPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:59 amMore places for you to take action
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?al ... =makeACall
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004721.php
With this re-write they would be able to charge for copies of the song that is loaded into RAM while your listening to GSP. It would basicly treat all these temporary storages like whole new instances.
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?al ... =makeACall
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004721.php
With this re-write they would be able to charge for copies of the song that is loaded into RAM while your listening to GSP. It would basicly treat all these temporary storages like whole new instances.
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:48 amThat fact hasn't stopped the RIAA and similar groups from trying to push this sort of control via other means, nor has it stopped them from passing all sorts of other bullshit legislation.Oddysee wrote:Fucked or not, I don't see this happening... It's impossible to controll.
It'll most likely pass. It cannot be fully enforced, but that's not what it's purpose is and the enforcibility of a law has very rarely been a factor in it being passed. It's purpose is 100% scare tactic. They'll make very public "examples" out of a few poor folks at first and then continue to brow beat the rest of with shitty ad campaigns.
I'll sign petitions and write letters, as I have for similar bullshit. This bill won't slow down piracy (as a method for consumers to get their due fair-use rights) for even a minute though.
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:08 pmNo law will ever stop piracy... As long as it's easier and more convenient being their pirate, than their costumer, people will...
Why pay for a cd, that wont even play on your system due to protection?... You just go get it then...
They're creating their own enemies with all this crap... But they'll never face that fact.
No controll freak ever will...
Tm
Why pay for a cd, that wont even play on your system due to protection?... You just go get it then...
They're creating their own enemies with all this crap... But they'll never face that fact.
No controll freak ever will...
TmPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:54 pmbrudus_maximus wrote:With this re-write they would be able to charge for copies of the song that is loaded into RAM while your listening to GSP. It would basicly treat all these temporary storages like whole new instances.
Wait...what?
I don't get it. How do they think they could possibly enforce that? It would be a logistical nightmare. Why on earth would they even want to attempt it??
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:52 pmValliKat wrote:brudus_maximus wrote:With this re-write they would be able to charge for copies of the song that is loaded into RAM while your listening to GSP. It would basicly treat all these temporary storages like whole new instances.
Wait...what?
I don't get it. How do they think they could possibly enforce that? It would be a logistical nightmare. Why on earth would they even want to attempt it??
$$$.
It won't work, but that's the motivation. Once again, the enforceability of the law has little to do with it. If you implement technology that shoves your consumer base into doing this, 80% of them will comply just because they don't know how to not comply or don't want to put the effort into getting around it.