I appreciate the apologies accepted site and most of the pics that I saw on it.
It's the once-in-a-while pic of "Just do better next time, ok?" statements that make me mad. Proof that many other people in the other countries just don't understand what the meaning of the apology site even was.
Yeah, how much better am I going to do? It's just one vote, and there's only 49% of us who have it.
GRRRRR.
We tried, and we're going to keep trying. Doing better is not an option, we're doing everything we can already.
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by Tarryk » Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:30 am
Prime example, response pics like this one.
You know what? I'm still sorry, and f*&# you, "rest of world". It's not like we have any more choice in the matter that you do. Except you're convinced that even the apologetic 49% are no better simply because we live here.
*storms off and goes to lay down for a while*
You know what? I'm still sorry, and f*&# you, "rest of world". It's not like we have any more choice in the matter that you do. Except you're convinced that even the apologetic 49% are no better simply because we live here.
*storms off and goes to lay down for a while*
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by Vallikat » Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:31 am
We do better when we speak out and volunteer and do what we can to sway the minds of those who are undecided or who were decided on Bush.
That would've been better.
I loved Mosh. I wanted to Mosh. I loved Eminem for writing Mosh and for that video. I wanted to wear a black hoodie when I casted my vote. But it was too little too late. By the time the song came out, it was past the deadline for registration and too late to motivate those who were registered.
I'm not saying I blame this on Eminem. I'm just saying that more could've been done, by all of us. Next time, god willing, it will be. Next time, god willing, we'll have better choices to start off with.
That would've been better.
I loved Mosh. I wanted to Mosh. I loved Eminem for writing Mosh and for that video. I wanted to wear a black hoodie when I casted my vote. But it was too little too late. By the time the song came out, it was past the deadline for registration and too late to motivate those who were registered.
I'm not saying I blame this on Eminem. I'm just saying that more could've been done, by all of us. Next time, god willing, it will be. Next time, god willing, we'll have better choices to start off with.
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by Mire » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:30 pm
Okay, I am going to try to be nice.
First, all you woe is me people who think the next four years are going to be the end of the world, think back (if you are old enough) and remember that 24 years ago you said the exact same thing when Regan strolled into town.
Second thing, you people need to remember, a. the US isn't the only country in America, don’t forget Mexico and Canada are part of the Americas you may offend them! b. we are VERY slow when it comes to change. Europe has how many centuries of screwing their people, screwing the rest of the world, conquering other countries simple because they could? Hell, it wasn't too long ago in comparison that the US was under Europe control in some fashion or another. Trust me, the world (meaning most of it excluding the Americas) have seen a lot worse than these last four years or the next four years. In the time we have been a sovereign nation, look at the amount of things we have changed that took how many centuries of Europe to do? Think about it. Think about how many centuries Europe was shackled with religious zelots and their control over lives (and deaths).
Hell, for a nation as young as the US is, and looking back on history (or even present depending on the current nations and their governments) we haven’t done so bad comparatively.
Third. Those who do not agree with the agenda, policies or ideals of the current administration as well as the politicians, who now control all three houses of government, think. Your constant bashing or belittling those who voted these people into power won’t help your cause and agendas. It will only strengthen the other side. Why? Because no one likes a whiner, no one likes a constant nag, no one likes a finger pointer when they don’t bring forth solid and reasonable solutions to any current problem nothing changes, EVER!
The thing that many on the left/democrat/ABB side can’t seem to understand is that it isn’t their ideas that are not shared, it isn’t their morals that aren’t shared, nor their belief in God, Buddha, Allah or any other deity or non-deity. It is that you are not explaining it in a way that people can accept, understand and eventually agree with. It is the way you try to put across your views!
I can go on and on, but I will leave it with just this. Learn to understand the opposite side in order to communicate with them and explain your ideals in their “language” not in yours. No one will see your side of things, if at first you can not see theirs.
First, all you woe is me people who think the next four years are going to be the end of the world, think back (if you are old enough) and remember that 24 years ago you said the exact same thing when Regan strolled into town.
Second thing, you people need to remember, a. the US isn't the only country in America, don’t forget Mexico and Canada are part of the Americas you may offend them! b. we are VERY slow when it comes to change. Europe has how many centuries of screwing their people, screwing the rest of the world, conquering other countries simple because they could? Hell, it wasn't too long ago in comparison that the US was under Europe control in some fashion or another. Trust me, the world (meaning most of it excluding the Americas) have seen a lot worse than these last four years or the next four years. In the time we have been a sovereign nation, look at the amount of things we have changed that took how many centuries of Europe to do? Think about it. Think about how many centuries Europe was shackled with religious zelots and their control over lives (and deaths).
Hell, for a nation as young as the US is, and looking back on history (or even present depending on the current nations and their governments) we haven’t done so bad comparatively.
Third. Those who do not agree with the agenda, policies or ideals of the current administration as well as the politicians, who now control all three houses of government, think. Your constant bashing or belittling those who voted these people into power won’t help your cause and agendas. It will only strengthen the other side. Why? Because no one likes a whiner, no one likes a constant nag, no one likes a finger pointer when they don’t bring forth solid and reasonable solutions to any current problem nothing changes, EVER!
The thing that many on the left/democrat/ABB side can’t seem to understand is that it isn’t their ideas that are not shared, it isn’t their morals that aren’t shared, nor their belief in God, Buddha, Allah or any other deity or non-deity. It is that you are not explaining it in a way that people can accept, understand and eventually agree with. It is the way you try to put across your views!
I can go on and on, but I will leave it with just this. Learn to understand the opposite side in order to communicate with them and explain your ideals in their “language” not in yours. No one will see your side of things, if at first you can not see theirs.
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by Oddysee » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:52 pm
Mire wrote:Okay, I am going to try to be nice.
[..]the world (meaning most of it excluding the Americas) have seen a lot worse than these last four years or the next four years. In the time we have been a sovereign nation, look at the amount of things we have changed that took how many centuries of Europe to do? Think about it. Think about how many centuries Europe was shackled with religious zelots and their control over lives (and deaths).
Hell, for a nation as young as the US is, and looking back on history (or even present depending on the current nations and their governments) we haven’t done so bad comparatively.
Haven't you? Now it is my turn to be "nice".
America is as old as Europe. Weather you like it or not, we ARE where you came from. The fact that you obviously haven't been able to learn from the mistakes of our COMMON ancestors does not put US in a bad light mate.
America isn't learning. It's carrying on. I'm not talking people, voters, left or right wing. I'm talking politics. Your leaders are doing what you just accused Europe of doing. You invade countries because you feel like it, disregarding international agreements. You practically declare war on the world simply because, as you so nicely put it, you can. You build missile shields despite agreements with the Russian government, in turn forcing them to take action, so they just upgraded their bloody nuclear arsenal.
Don't you for one second dare point fingers at Europe and claim that you have done better.
What Europe did and went through took over a thousand years. You've done the same, and more in 300 years... Don't you dare imply we are the slow learners. We moved on. You're still playing with your muscles, showing us all who's biggest.
Mire wrote:I can go on and on, but I will leave it with just this. Learn to understand the opposite side in order to communicate with them and explain your ideals in their “language” not in yours. No one will see your side of things, if at first you can not see theirs.
Back at you.
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by Tarryk » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:02 pm
Indeed.
Despite the fact that the entire sway towards Bush was due primarily to the MASSIVE insurgance of church-goers who have abstained from voting for years, and were urged to vote this time by their ministers on the sole reason that "Bush believes in God." No, I'm not making that up. It caused the bible belt to surge upwards in the electoral colleges, with the TOP POLLED FACTOR BEING THE WHOLE GAY MARRAIGE DEBATE.
Which might have worked if we had all the mindless "god-fearing folk" on our side.
Things were (and are still being) explained by the left as they ARE. Not the watered-down and buttered-up version that the moral majority wants them to be. Sweeps Week is for Fox Network, and has no place in politics as far as I'm concerned.
The way I see it, Bush won because people don't know him and don't care, so long as he reads the Bible. Fact is, the man is an unintelligent boob who can't even complete a six-word sentence that was WRITTEN DOWN FOR HIM without pausing three words in to think about how to pronounce "disestablished". (THEN STILL GETS IT WRONG, I might add)
The fact that he was voted in spells worlds about the united states 51%. I don't, I CAN'T, allow myself to respect a single one of them when the only valid arguements I've heard in Bush's defense boils down to three things:
1. Bush rocks! Nuke the commies! You're a pinko hippy for voting Kerry!
2. My taxes are saved! Sorry bout yer luck, poor people!
3. One nation under the biblical god. Gay people are evil.
The thing that many on the left/democrat/ABB side can’t seem to understand is that it isn’t their ideas that are not shared, it isn’t their morals that aren’t shared, nor their belief in God, Buddha, Allah or any other deity or non-deity.
Despite the fact that the entire sway towards Bush was due primarily to the MASSIVE insurgance of church-goers who have abstained from voting for years, and were urged to vote this time by their ministers on the sole reason that "Bush believes in God." No, I'm not making that up. It caused the bible belt to surge upwards in the electoral colleges, with the TOP POLLED FACTOR BEING THE WHOLE GAY MARRAIGE DEBATE.
It is that you are not explaining it in a way that people can accept, understand and eventually agree with. It is the way you try to put across your views!
Which might have worked if we had all the mindless "god-fearing folk" on our side.
Things were (and are still being) explained by the left as they ARE. Not the watered-down and buttered-up version that the moral majority wants them to be. Sweeps Week is for Fox Network, and has no place in politics as far as I'm concerned.
The way I see it, Bush won because people don't know him and don't care, so long as he reads the Bible. Fact is, the man is an unintelligent boob who can't even complete a six-word sentence that was WRITTEN DOWN FOR HIM without pausing three words in to think about how to pronounce "disestablished". (THEN STILL GETS IT WRONG, I might add)
The fact that he was voted in spells worlds about the united states 51%. I don't, I CAN'T, allow myself to respect a single one of them when the only valid arguements I've heard in Bush's defense boils down to three things:
1. Bush rocks! Nuke the commies! You're a pinko hippy for voting Kerry!
2. My taxes are saved! Sorry bout yer luck, poor people!
3. One nation under the biblical god. Gay people are evil.
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by Mire » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:07 pm
The fact that you obviously haven't been able to learn from the mistakes of our COMMON ancestors does not put US in a bad light mate.
Okay, I wasn't trying to put Europe in a bad light. I was trying to say...
we are VERY slow when it comes to change.
I think you forgot that part of my statment.
Don't you for one second dare point fingers at Europe and claim that you have done better.
If that is what you took by what I said, I didn't present my thinking clearly enough. I said we haven't done so bad on compairison.
You invade countries because you feel like it, disregarding international agreements. You practically declare war on the world simply because, as you so nicely put it, you can
If you honestly belive we have declared war on the world, there is nothing I or anyone can say to make you belive other wise. I aslo will not try to debate the rational, logic or principles on the Iraq war (if I assume that is what you are point to) simple because I myself see many flaws in both arguments.
Don't you dare imply we are the slow learners
I never ment to imply you were, and thus why I stated the US is very very slow to change.
You're still playing with your muscles, showing us all who's biggest.
And you're still wanting us to conform.
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by Mire » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:51 pm
Despite the fact that the entire sway towards Bush was due primarily to the MASSIVE insurgance of church-goers who have abstained from voting for years, and were urged to vote this time by their ministers on the sole reason that "Bush believes in God." No, I'm not making that up. It caused the bible belt to surge upwards in the electoral colleges, with the TOP POLLED FACTOR BEING THE WHOLE GAY MARRAIGE DEBATE.
Yes and no Tarryk. I am not foolish enough to say the religous didn't sway the vote. But, to put all 51% of the populace who did vote for Bush in that catagory is way wrong and way ignorant. There were just as many if not more people who voted on other issues other than the gay issue, and even some who voted strictly on the gay issue didn't vote because of it being a gay issue but of a constitutional issue. Some people got it, others didn't. Some went just because of religious beliefs, others didn't. It is like saying half of the country is religous and the other half is athiests. Kind of ignorant when the other man who ran for the seat was a catholic huh?
Which might have worked if we had all the mindless "god-fearing folk" on our side.
Yep, might have worked. Isn't it amazing how at one point in time all the red states where blue (well, actually when the dems where in control before Regan they were "red states" then) not but 20 years ago? The term Regan Democrat isn't there just for jollies. It is there for a reason.
The way I see it, Bush won because people don't know him and don't care, so long as he reads the Bible. Fact is, the man is an unintelligent boob who can't even complete a six-word sentence that was WRITTEN DOWN FOR HIM without pausing three words in to think about how to pronounce "disestablished". (THEN STILL GETS IT WRONG, I might add)
And I nor anyone can or probably will change your oppinion of the man. Yet, because he doesn't read speaches well is judging a book by its cover and continued thinking like that will continue the underestimation of his ability to lead. You may not like his leadership, not saying I do to the total extent, but sorry, I if you can fly a jet you can't be that dumb.
1. Bush rocks! Nuke the commies! You're a pinko hippy for voting Kerry!
2. My taxes are saved! Sorry bout yer luck, poor people!
3. One nation under the biblical god. Gay people are evil.
Fair enough, if that is the type of defense you get I would be right behind you as far as respect being handed out. I guess we hang around completely different circles.
But, the opposite can be asked, can you respect someone for being a AAB voter instead of voting for a person and thier beliefs, ideals and agendas?
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by Boinky » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:43 pm
epiphonic wrote:what sucks is that i live in idaho, which is dumbfuckistan, and i voted for kerry, gotta love the entire 2-3 electorial votes we represent....
Well it's not all that bad Epi, that map says I live in America but I think a paint crew is coming by with cans of the red stuff next week
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by epiphonic » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:57 pm
ack, i really dont like red in large quantities, errr, .... unless its a bloody painting.... heh, and if its republicans your talking about, im sure, then they're probably washing brick red over the most beautiful graffiti in the world in an attempt to put up messages against human rights, stem cell, sexual preference and personal privacy.
sucks man!! get out the fire truck rigged with indigo blue!!!
sucks man!! get out the fire truck rigged with indigo blue!!!
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by Demongirl » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:53 am
if you can fly a jet you can't be that dumb.
so, what you're saying is... he's just playing this stupid to distract people from what he's really been planning. everyone thinks he's a complete and utter moron acting like cheney's puppet when in actuality many of these things are his ideas. would they misguide people? clearly not ever, especially with all the misleading initiatives this administration has pushed forward to help cut down trees and pollute the air, i mean "healthy forests" and "clear skies" as primary examples. find me a poor man and i'll vote for him, at least he won't have the corruption already started before he's in office. it's the price we pay for electing officials who have money at stake in big industry.
if nothing else we should institute a policy disallowing people who have family relations to those who have the clearance to election results from taking office as president just like any contest/giveaway any store/fast-food chain would run. what's it going to harm? the worst case scenario is we won't have the same family in command of the US for more than 8 years. there is a 2-term limit per person so why not just get a family member in there, kind of like passing on the rule of a nation to your son, as hussein would have been doing. out of all the people in this nation there is no reason we should ever feel the necessity to have an ex-president's son as president. that is what the democratic system was meant to prevent, but thanks to the people left in power of this nation (and the shady dealings with florida in 2000 and ohio this year) that's what we have... "sorry, out of a population of 294,816,357 people, the ex-president's son is our best candidate to run *cough*onlybecausehisbrotherrunsflorida*cough*"
if you think this government is not overtly corrupt and michael moore is the devil (i agree he's way far left) i urge you to check this link, just appointed head of the cia a few days ago, this is interview footage not released in farenheit 9/11 filmed in march of 2004. as you watch keep this in mind, bush says "he's the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation's history." porter goss apparently didn't think so before november.
i love this country for the most part, it just seems like everybody's putting on blindfolds and deciding it's time for their last cigarette and i'm not ready yet.
so, what you're saying is... he's just playing this stupid to distract people from what he's really been planning. everyone thinks he's a complete and utter moron acting like cheney's puppet when in actuality many of these things are his ideas. would they misguide people? clearly not ever, especially with all the misleading initiatives this administration has pushed forward to help cut down trees and pollute the air, i mean "healthy forests" and "clear skies" as primary examples. find me a poor man and i'll vote for him, at least he won't have the corruption already started before he's in office. it's the price we pay for electing officials who have money at stake in big industry.
if nothing else we should institute a policy disallowing people who have family relations to those who have the clearance to election results from taking office as president just like any contest/giveaway any store/fast-food chain would run. what's it going to harm? the worst case scenario is we won't have the same family in command of the US for more than 8 years. there is a 2-term limit per person so why not just get a family member in there, kind of like passing on the rule of a nation to your son, as hussein would have been doing. out of all the people in this nation there is no reason we should ever feel the necessity to have an ex-president's son as president. that is what the democratic system was meant to prevent, but thanks to the people left in power of this nation (and the shady dealings with florida in 2000 and ohio this year) that's what we have... "sorry, out of a population of 294,816,357 people, the ex-president's son is our best candidate to run *cough*onlybecausehisbrotherrunsflorida*cough*"
if you think this government is not overtly corrupt and michael moore is the devil (i agree he's way far left) i urge you to check this link, just appointed head of the cia a few days ago, this is interview footage not released in farenheit 9/11 filmed in march of 2004. as you watch keep this in mind, bush says "he's the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation's history." porter goss apparently didn't think so before november.
i love this country for the most part, it just seems like everybody's putting on blindfolds and deciding it's time for their last cigarette and i'm not ready yet.
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by Ichyro » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:06 am
To given a random angry comment: People voted for bush on his 'morals'? What, like Kerry was this hedonistic sleazy pimp or something? 'Morals' is their politically correct term for homophobic bigots keeping themselves in the past.
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by Demongirl » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:40 am
well it doesn't take much to be a proud dumbfuckistani... as long as you're not gay that is... lol
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