i love GSP!

[Oddysee]

Totally up for that! And while yer at it... BRING BACK SKA DAMMIT!!!
*sigh*
God I hate Denmark... I have to order everything from abroad, they never play it anywhere as it's not mainstream, so the only way to get new music, is online shit like AO...
I'm serious, if it aint Techno, or some Mtv top of the pops band, the danes don't know about it... Sucks arse!

I used to listen to "Man-O-War" if I needed som'n "harder". Don't get me wrong, I love them... But it's not hard is it... It was just a lot better than Justin fuckin Timberlake or Britney spears... I mean wtf!

*rant off*




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[Otori]

I just gotta throw this copied post I made on the AO forums, only because it seems that people aren't quite aware of the music depth of GSP:

*Copied post starts here*
Tarryk makes good points (as usual) and I too understand where Durandal is coming from. If you want to get technical, listening to an "Industrial" format you SHOULDN'T hear any Skinny Puppy or Front 242, as they are actually post-industrial. Einstürzende Neubauten, Test Dept, Throbbing Gristle, Monte Cazazza, and ClockDVA might be better categorized as such. Many of the DJ's in GSP are VERY knowledgable of a variety of genres, but I personally probably wouldn't play any Foetus, because of obvious reasons.

Yes, GSP is around to please the masses, in our own individual and (hopefully) creative ways. I bet there would be a few people who would tune in if all I did was talk about my cats, as long as I gave away a million credits every 2 minutes.

Durandal, please don't catorgize GSP as a station that "falls back on overplayed songs", because we strive to be much more, be it introducing music that maybe people havent heard, playing music created by other AO community members, contributing to the RP community of AO, and generally just having a darn good time.

*And end here*

[Boinky]

Oddy - If ya want Ska brought back (as played on GSP I assume) then try and get a DJ to buy into it. I personally like Ska quite abit as long as we are talking about the real deal, but I wasn't sure some of your recent mentioned bands weren't more like 2nd generation Ska-wannabees (not all of them)

But anyway - convince the DJs ta play it - or just request it and hopoe they will...

[Synnastacia]

ah, otori, you've always had my respect but i never knew how deep your interests were. i think i'm gonna open a store, need a job? it's gonna be called "overclassified" and we're gonna sell all kinds of music and we're gonna classify all of them by music sounds. i just need more people as anal as me when it comes to classifying, and with your input of "post-industrial" (which i'm in fully agreeance with but haven't heard the term used in sooo long) you can have a top position. we will rule this store with an iron fist.

honestly, the way i see it, if you're gonna subcategorize a genre of music, completely break it down. one thing i need to know, how many of these somewhat obscure artists you mentioned do you have? i might have to request something different next time.

/me readies the "darkwave" card for switchblade symphony and the like...

[Josellynn]

OMG Otori I can't believe you know who Foetus is! I haven't heard from many people who do. Years ago I went into The Cats Meow (Royal Oak) and bought the last Foetus sticker. I put it on my jeep at the time. I got so many dirty looks for that one...lol. It was great. When my jeep took a crap on me I was very upset to know that I would never again see anything about them. I'm happy to see them brought up. Even slightly. It's a major blast from the past. A dear friend of mine introduced me to them over 10 years ago. He had some albums by them as well. (yes albums) They were stolen along with his old Skinny Puppy albums by this girl he dated. O.k. I'm rambling. Oh, and Odd.... are you talking like...Skankin' Pickle, Jack Kevorkian and the Suicide Machines, Buck o' nine, and The Specials ska or what? Just wondering.

[Otori]

I don't have too many of the artists I mentioned in MP3, etc format....because yes, they are mostly on vinyl. Maybe I'll get the energy to hook up a mixer and rip'em over to the PC. I DJ'd clubs in the early 90's and believe it or not, this was the type of stuff I spun. The ones I mentioned just sorta scratch the surface. Prolly my best concert memory was Pigface/Pankow concert. It was in a little bitty back alley bar called TUCCA (Tulsa Center of Contermporary Arts...lol). There was maybe 50 people there, and the drummer for Pankow just stood up in the middle of a song, started kicking his trapset and jumping around like a madman, took a stage dive in which no one caught him, got back up, and walked out the front door of the bar, and was never seen again. Pankow (which was an Italian noise outfit) broke up shortly after. Considering I was on 3 hits of Window Pane, it was surreal to say the least (and no kiddies, don't do drugs, it only leads to astrophysics grad school ).

Man, them were the days......

[Oddysee]

Boinky, I know some of 'em are 2-gen ska bands... And Jos', I honestly don't know al of those bands, but they've been added to the list.
For the record, I like anything mellow. Mellow punk, ska and the like are all coo', and I can't help asociate them with each other. I'm 20 and my taste for this only developed within the last 4 years. So living in Denmark, I have no chance of hearing any of the old stuff, as I can only come across what I can dig up myself. A lot of it mislabelled. This country is total mainstream.
As such, I'm not so hooked up on what genre things are, as long as they're in the same area, and do the same trick for me, I catagorise it after that... Simple really... Yet wrong at many points.
I think the safest categorisation would be "Skater punk/rock".
That defines it nicely!




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[Boinky]

Have you tried Avril Lavigne? <sorry couldn't resist>

[dfclock]

soooo...wow.... =0 coo yeah, oddy, I have got to send you a comp CD from my house, real coo stuff, some hard, some soft, some that you cant recognize a sound from.

[Nexeus]

Okay, I'm going to sound like a dumb DJ here (but hell, not the first time soo..)

But WOW another musical discussion on the forums here, and it seems like the conversation has turned into a genre question and what is what, and what isn't what. I mean I just LOVE those people who LOVE the Beastie Boys but HATE RUN DMC, why may you ask? Because one is rock and the other is rap... waitaminute... No... check again guys Beastie Boys is RAP for all who cares/etc. (More Rap/Ska/Reggae to some point... if you REALLY had to classify them, I would place them into the breakbeat or Hip-Hop genre... wait you mean hip-hop isn't just rap?... moving on...)

As for Ska, believe it or not kids, but No Doubt does come pretty close to it and yes Green Day and the Offspring do dwelve into Ska as well (Rock Ska that is)... wait there's different types of Ska's? Oh yeah because "Ska" (the way I know it) is usually referred to reggae music (NOT DANCEHALL - reggae as in Bob Marley, Eek-a-Mouse. Dancehall is more Shaggy, Sean Paul).

Wait, wait, wait... so you are proabbly asking "Nexeus, where the F*** is this going to?" and it's basically this... each genre of music is a pain in the ass to categorize, even someone myself who tries to do so as best as he can (can't now because my laptop hard drive is K.O.ed), I mean if you look at Techno (a.k.a. Eletronica/Electronic), you have trance (Sasha), dance (Robert Miles, Darude, DJ Scribble), euro-dance (Benny B, Master Blaster), electronica (The Chemical Brothers, Moby), Techno (Prodigy), Eletronic (KMFDM, Sister Machine Gun - to a point), that you have to end up going to its source genre to find it. There are times that you HAVE to start putting Limp Bizkit into Hip-Hop and P. Diddy/Puff Daddy into Rock because they begin to transcend their own genres. How I define it and how someone else, or even another DJ defines it, can be who entirely different things.

Personally for me it defines your flavor, one thing I get a lot when I'm DJing is to play a lot of rock and DOOM but personally my real definition of DOOM is a majority of Hard Rock, not just Death Metal, Grindcore, Hard Core, etc. And it's not that I don't listen to these other genre's, I do, very much so (I know I have a history somewhere about it), BUT for many reasons (ask me later about them), I stick to Techno/Hip-Hop/Reggae/"Latin" (I HAVE SOOO MANY ISSUES WITH THE TERM "LATIN MUSIC")

And the reason I say that is because there's a whole bunch on those two genre's that would make any politican crap in their pants, Wumpscut is nothing compared to some of DMX's songs, or hell even Slipknot (mind you I've heard one Wumpscut song).

So in closing it goes like this:
Opening a store of too many genre's is only going to leave you with isles of genre's with one aritst or album in it.
GSP is more about playing just the same repetative crap over and over and over and over... (damnit is Milkshake wasn't a freaking song of the month.... VOTE FOR A NEW SONG PEOPLE! REQUEST SOMETHING NEW!)
GSP is also about you opening your hear and mind to something new (OMG, it's something new... you may not like it, but other people do!)
And Wumpscut is pretty tame now because it has all been said, done, etc, and when you have 11 year olds passing notes about what they are going to do to each other (anal rape, follatio, etc), then you know it's not society or the music but the parenting (A WHOLE other discussion!)

(Yeah I may have gone off topic, and not spelled everything correctly... but erm... deal with it for now until my laptop computer gets updated damnit)

[Boinky]

OK for Beastie Boys to be defined as Rap despite the fact that they made it big and got embraced by the Pop/Top40 fans I'll give you. But No Doubt doesn't get a free ride after their first album was true Ska and after that they started selling out to the Pop/Top40 gods and agents! They sold out their Ska roots and became a travesty that worked not to increase interest in Ska music, but increased their pocketbooks and wooed the leadsinger of the moraly vacant Bush to marry Gwen Stefani! No Doubt was the portrait of Dorian Gray, and then he started his evil deeds till the portrait looked like it does today...

[Nexeus]

What first album are we talking about Boinky? The one that was released and FAILED miserably or Tragic Kingdom (which contrary to popuplar belief ISN'T their first album, it's their second)

[Boinky]

Their true first album (think it's self titled, not at home so I can't actually look) - I saw them on tour for that album and they were great! And I would say it didn't have wide mainstream success, indeed. But I'll point out another band I also like that kept putting out music, didn't actually sell out and finally did have the big success due to their dedication to their brand of music - Barenaked Ladies. I also saw them many times thru my town way before they had big commercial success. They kept at it and finally made the big bucks without (too much I assume) compromises to their art.

edit: I mean who wouldn't love a ska song about getting your wisdom teeth pulled?

[Nexeus]

A) your right their first album was self titled
B) I don't think that they deviated all that much (i.e. sold out), personally. Even without the wide spread success they still kept who they were very much into their current music (it's almost a Rock-Ska Fusion), and their last to recent album (Rocksteady) was moer of a Rock-Reggae Fusion. Personally I don't feel they sold out at all, I just think that they have deeper roots and are redeveloping themselves... very much (and I'm going to get flamed here) Metallica has redeveloped it self (NOT SOLD OUT), and is still very, very good (In my opinion clearly)