My Rant

[Riviques]

well, im out of work, over my hangover, but still pissed off. finnaly being able to turn on the news again this week, the first thing that popped up was the enforced ban on gay marrage in the areas which allowed it **CA being one of them** by our president. now, i ussaly dont bother having an opion on some shit that the goverment does. most of it is good reason **example would be the fact that saddam IS out of power after all, some of you ppl ranting sound like you want him back in his comphy chair killing people** but this is absolutly re-god-damn-diculas. what is the big idea with suppressing these people?!

there is absolutly nothing wrong with bi-sexual and gay/lesbian people. if anything, it just shows that they are stronger in that they can look past the whole gendger thing for the one they love, and put up with all the judgement and hate that is aimed towards them. isnt that proff of love enuf for ya? i mean, they could of any time left their lovers to end all the pain, but no, they stay with them, and they support eachother thru all of it. that, my friends, is love.

so again..why are they repressed? well, i can think of another reason beside the fact taht people are iggnorant. the ideas that are burned into their head from a lil fictional book. the bible. now i dont mean to offend, but i have to get this out of my system.

the book, is just as i said, a BOOK. it is a story. and for the most part, it was written to keep peasents in-line for the higer powers. the book spoke of there being a great after life if you put up with the shitty one you had without a single quirp and always doing as your told, no matter how stupid it is.

one of these things in teh book talks about how its a "sin" to be gay, because it is not "god's" will. why? all it says is that its not his will. thats all. no reason. just written so the higer powers would have to deal with it. pretty stupid eh? but this "rule" is still inforced it seems.

all these bible-beaters are going by this rule and creating a vendetta against these innocent people who simply prefer something else. they following a rule that doesnt even make sense. hate that has no meaning or purpose.

and now with it being Black History Month, its like the same situation all over again. another people where repressed simply for their skin color. conicidence? who knows..

well, ive made little to no sense and probally offend alomst all of you tonight..but on a final note..let the marrage happen america. these people are no differnt from you. let them express their love thru the biggest tradition of it. STOP repressing HUMAN BEINGS. taht is all.

[Ceryn]

Fact is.. like Regan, Bush was voted in by the Right wing groups that haunt the deep south of the United States.. It is a well documented fact that Bush himself is a "born against christian" and we all know what they can be like... In a day and age in which same-gender relationships are out in the open and widely accepted by most other groups, Bush has been pushed into trying to make criminals of gays/lesbians, by these right wing groups, just as Regan did in the early 80's with the American pornography buisness.. He's spent his time in power, elections are looming, Bush wants to win back the confidence of his right wing pals.. this is his way of doing so... the low down dirty little cheat that he is..

[Firia]

He's spent his time in power, elections are looming, Bush wants to win back the confidence of his right wing pals.. this is his way of doing so... the low down dirty little cheat that he is..

I personally think this is smoke screen for the blunder of iraq. ^_^ that possability doesn't decrease the very real threatening nature of the proposed bill though.

Personally, to me, overall, It just means that if Bush gets reellected, the american public really IS as stupid as the stereo types over seas claim. ^_^ And I will be a canadian before long.

[Riviques]

**sighs**

[Ichyro]

The war in the Iraq has freed a people from a horrible dictator. Bush is against Gay Marriage because he is an example of extremes of religon, in this case, christiniaty, that thinks Jesus, who as i Know ,was a caring and loving individual who didnt rely on killing or diminishing the rights of others, and sacrificed himself for all of humanity, not just the christians, and certianly not everyone but the homosexuals. He wants votes, and thinks he'll get more if he doesnt support homosexuals, rather than do so.

This is a way to show us that as we already know, equality does not exist in america. Took till suffarage for women, took until far after the Emancipation for african americans to gain the rights, and it'll take long for those who love their own sex to gain the rights.

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I begin to realize perhaps I should become "Bi", with the idea that while I love women, if a man was to come along, who I found attracitve, and had what I wanted, I would treat him with the same affection that I would have if they were a woman.

For the War in iraq:
Honestly, all of you wouldnt be blasting it and saying how it was a foible if you had lived under such a opressive and horrible regime. I understand being pissed that Bush lied about the pretenses that launched us into war (Not to free them, but because of these fake WMDs possibly being developed), but not that we freed a nation from such a horrible leader.

And if America shouldnt have just decided to be the paladin, and stop the nasty dictator...

We were asked to back in WW1, asked to back in WW2, asked to in the Cold War.


I hate bush for logical reasons, other than just "hes a stinky corrupt old dude who did the war in iraq for oil and is a mean old fart". Which happens to be Senator Deans campaign slogan. (I am glad this dumbass is not getting into office, all I ever heard from his filthy lips was "Bush sucks, war in iraq is bad, look at me, the energetic young guy, vote for me." Partly the medias fault, but everywhere I went, newspaper, net or TV, thats all I heard from him.

He [Bush] doesnt care about the environment, especially when it involves oil. The economy is somewhat his fault, but guess what folks a president doesnt have some magical phrase to make the economy get better just like *Pop* that.



Whatever the case, Bush is a poor leader, but I'd rather have a poor leader like bush, than be stuck in a country where I do not have the freedoms we do.


We'll think we don't have many freedoms, and you know, your right. We don't. The rest of the world barely has any, not even the freedom to live.


And Firia, I am considering moving to australia. From what i have heard from a friend there, as well as many, she considers her own people just as I do my own people...to be pretty boorish and mean-spirited, ignorant and foolish masses.

Whats to say it wont be like America in canada? A few miles difference, a boundary of Nations? While they would have legal homosexual marriage, and thats a great thing, I think they'll have many problems, perhaps as much as America does. I'm sorry if I'll get you angry, nor am I trying to make an example of you, but what you say is something I hear from many, many people on the internet.

Tarryk is one of them as well. People who seem to be saying America is the pits, America is a filthy wasteland, and they want to get out..

Well what is stopping them from leaving can range, but what I would like them to not tell me, but ask themselves, is "How is just moving up one nation going to fix it all?"

Dont you think the other countries will have many problems, and foibles, perhaps just as much as America does? Even worse, maybe? Like it or not we do have the most freedoms of the entire world of humanity, and while that doesnt seem like a lot to us, perhaps it isnt, but if you had been raised in Mogadishu, or in the Arab Pennisula, or under the Soviet Union...

Or perhaps in Eastern Europe at hte turn of the 1900s, then, well, you'd think america was heaven.

[Firia]

**sighs**

yeah yeah, I know. I'll see above for reitterated details.

Still doesn't change the fact that we acted first on false information leading to the deaths of hundreds of people. Yes, there is a possitive side; a dictator is out of power sure. Still doesn't change the fact that our governement leaders are lying to us. These lies cost lives.

Plus I'm sure there could have been a far more civil method of going about the dethroning of Sadam. But that's another story for another topic. ^_^

[Ichyro]

Not really, at all Firia.

The Iraqi ellection was held for Saddam, and he got 100% of the votes. Embargos did nothing, but harm the people more, and when we tried to push them to revolt, they were slaughtered.

"Walk softly and carry a big stick", perhaps we jumped into war too fast. Would we have done specific bombings, special forces, and not just a bliztkrieg into Iraq, odds are we'd be better off. But Civil does not work when the opposition only speaks in the language of bullets. Saddam and his sons would not have steped down, and we saw that with his sons, even when pressured by troops outside with heavy weaponry, they refused...and odds are civil things wouldn't have done diddly squat.

IF people are angry at the government for lying to us on false pretenses for going to war, then good.

IF people are angry that we went to War with Iraq, and lost lives...well then in all honesty your a god damn selfish asshole. If you'd have been in Iraq, even the risk of bombs and civilian casualties would have likely seemed a lot better than the Iraqi Secret Police and tortures, as well as free and unrestrained killing of whoever Saddam pleased.

Bush should be thrown out of office for that, anyway, lying to the entire world about the War in Iraq, for whatever reason.

Even if he freed the entire world, he lied to us, and for that he should be held accountable. I just get pissed watching the news and seeing some silly protestor who seems to be thinking the war in iraq is only for oil

Same sort of people who blamed the soldiers comming back from Vietnam for what happened. Of course this time those protestors are actually aiming right, but regardless, not all, not many, but a number seem to think of the war only from our eyes.

Some iraqis could have lived with saddam, some couldnt have, some wouldnt have wanted the sacrifices they and we gave to take Saddams power away, others think it was justifyed.

I can never truly know what I would have thought in that position, but I know that at least from my eyes,

The war in Iraq wasnt good, wasnt bad. Thats war...its never good, even WW2, one of the most if not the most justifyed and needed war, was not good.

I just hope you, and others, firia, hate the War because Bush lied to us and it cost lives of iraqis and americans, not because we went into a nation and freed a nation.

[Sergeiovich]

Im against Bush for one huge reason, which carries alot of riders with it..

He LIED to the american public.

He jumped the gun going into Iraq, by fudging "evidence" that iraq was developing WMDs. His own advisers said they didnt have enough info to make a judgement. His own advisers have said they never thought there was WMDs still in Iraq. The UN team sent to find WMDs turned up.. nothing. 9 months of having American men and women with our great armed forces in Iraq have turned up.. no WMDs, but alot of deaths.

Yes, Saddam Hussein, a man whom I personally rank up there with Idi Amin and the Khmer Rouge is out of power. And that is a great thing for the people of Iraq, and the world. But now we are going to be stuck with thousands of American men and women stuck in a country in which we are not welcome, for the most part. That sure seems similar to another war we fought a few decades ago in Southeast Asia. Both of them were us getting in for outside motivations, and both of them, we went in with little outside support.

Now what are Bush's motivations? Oil. Campaign money. His Texan "im gonna kick your butt" attitude. (and before you bash me for that one.. I live in Texas). I say oil because he gave very overly optimistic expectations about how quickly the war will "pay for itself". I'm sorry, but wars never pay for themselves. People DIE in wars. You cant pay that off. And look at who is reaping the benefits of the war... his cronies. Halliburton, which Vice President Cheney used to lead.. has net over 3 Billion dollars in contracts in Iraq.. some of which were won without competitive bidding. Many of the contracts handed out so far have been won with little or no competitive bidding, which is against Pentagon regulations (in most cases).

I say campaign money, because Bush has amassed a "war chest" of over $150 million.. far surpassing any records set so far. With that war chest, he can pay every single probable voter (assuming a 60% turnout) a dollar for their vote. And then have change left over for ads. And who is donating to his campaign? Large businesses, and generally right wing political action groups. PACs (Political Action Groups) do nothing more than legalized bribery. They pay Bush money, he does what they want. Last time I checked.. That was bribery. The same right wing groups generally oppose gay marraige... and Bush opposes it.

In my opinion, Bush has become nothing more than a figurehead leader. He is there to look pretty, and talk the talk.. but not really do anything on his own. His policies, especially since September 11, have tended towards conservatism to a tee, and the republican controlled congress have been nothing more than a rubber stamp for bush. They seem to be taking over everything we hold dear, in the name of "security". I understand the need for security, but as American citizens, we need to protect those freedoms granted to us by the Bill of Rights. We are the only country to have all these freedoms, lets protect them.

What can you do to protect them, you ask? Its simple. You use one of them. Its the freedom to vote. You have one vote to cast every election day. USE IT. You can only make yourself heard by voting. Whether you agree with me or not, you have a voice, and you best use it. Letters work, e-mails work.. but your vote is the most powerful thing out there. With that vote, YOU decide who leads the US, and who stays at home. Not the PACs, not the companies, not the media. You. So get out there and use it.

www.vote-smart.org/
www.fairvote.org/
www.kidsvotingusa.org/
www.vote.com/
www.moveon.org/

Check them out, and get out the vote.


>>Sergeiovich's note: I wrote this because I'm upset about people complaining about Bush, but not doing anything. I will admit that I used to be Republican, but am now pretty much independent, leaning towards Democrat, because of Bush. I do not intend to offend anyone with what I wrote here, and if I did, I sincerely apologize. I hope that I provided some useful insight into how I feel about this whole situation, and although I cut alot out, I hope I at least motivated you to put your opinions out, and vote the way you feel. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.<<

[Boinky]

This war agianst Iraq was entirely unwarranted! The first time it was after he invaded and held a neighbor country, and we didn't go in and invade Iraq, we just freed Kuwait. And if we did just want to go and take Saddam out of power and let Iraq chose a new leader I don't doubt we have satelites and covert black ops teams that could drop in and do a surgical strike - even if it had to be a total of 150 men to ensure they could get to Saddam and kill him. Now that would have probably sat well with the rest of the world than what we have done, but it would've better represented the aim of this administration. And it would also have been more accepted on a world scale by this time I think.

Besides that, I believe this Prseidency has bumbled, pushed unpopular partisan measures into law, and lied about every stupid or controversial thing they have done. I wish we had a time machine for newspapers and magazines, because then we could see the revelations of all that Bush's presidency has wrought! He's quite possibly wracking up the biggest tote-board of crimes against the people of The United States ever, and I think he's fully aware of that fact, and he continues doing it simply because he has the opportunity. He's a kid in a Candy Store clerked by part-time nurses across from a Hospital that has just had a major Emergency Vehicle arrival! :Read - He's a president elected to office to a nation that is heinously attacked not many months later giving him carte blanche to attack almost any enemy he deems to name, be it Afghanistan, Iraq, Gay Marriage, or anything else he wants to harm

[Darth Bootay]

One lying, fanatical dictator pushes another one out of power and it absolves his evils? PSHAW!

Bush has forced shit through Congress that is completely unconstitutional and that, if enforced (or when) will complete his job of turning America into a religiously run police state. There can be no respect for a man who loves power so much that he defies the principals drafted at our nation's foundation by working so hard to rejoin Church and State and to oppress the people who ARE the nation. He is a confirmed liar, hypocrite and tyrant.

ALL religeons have merit. Thus they should all be viewed with a certain amount of respect, if not understanding or agreement. Those who practice what these religeons preach are generally good folk who don't deserve the heat they get for believing in a God by whatever name they hail it. The intolerant, the oppressive, the cruel and the hateful cannot be rightfully called Christian. They make a mockery of the teachings of the son of the Diety they profess to worship.

The Bible is, like the Koran, a religeous text. A library of recipes for the widespread and successful propigation of the tribes that follow them. Homosexuality is looked down upon in the holy writs because homosexuals produce no children. No children = less chosen folk. Less chosen folk = declining of the religeon. If you read the laws set out in the old testament, you see an amazing breeding, property and health program for a nomadic desert tribe. Interesting, no? Granted, it has been altered not only in translation but at the request of those in power more than once during the mid 1000s. But it gives a great deal of insight. If read responsibly. No need to cast all the evils of the misled and non-Xtian Christians on the Bible. People will be people, which is to say they will be imperfect, willfully misunderstanding and generally nasty whenever it suits them, using any convenient excuse to justify their wrongdoings.

It is going to be an interesting decade here in the USofA. Wonder if we will actually succumb to the powers of tyranical darkness or if we will collectively get a clue and put these jackasses out of power?