Judgment has been passed

[Firia]

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Discuss!

[Jugsmalone]

This should have happened as soon as he was captured a waste of money to have kept him alive and well waiting trial and execution..

[Jassel]

Yeah but it was a great birthday present for me this year

It may have happened yesterday for the US time, but it was my birthday for them

[Mivat]

This should have happened as soon as he was captured a waste of money to have kept him alive and well waiting trial and execution..

If one cannot offer even the most evil, sick, twisted and cruel individuals due process through the justice-system, are we better than the same evil, sick, twisted and cruel individuals? In my mind, no, we are not.

The situation in the middle east in general, and Iraq in particular, is not one to act rashly in, or even in haste. Should Saddam have been executed for his crimes without giving him as fair a trial as possible (there is no real thing as a fair trial for people that famous/infamous, as everyone has an opinion on it and it is pretty much impossible to be truly neutral, as a jury should be), the situation in Iraq would escalate into even more mayhem, chaos and death than it already is. It might still, as the execution of Saddam has not stayed the hands of bombers. The 30 dead people, blown to bits in a market in Baghdad speaks volumes about that.

To quote Gandalf: Many that live deserve death. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

[Tarryk]

If one cannot offer even the most evil, sick, twisted and cruel individuals due process through the justice-system, are we better than the same evil, sick, twisted and cruel individuals? In my mind, no, we are not.
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To quote Gandalf: Many that live deserve death. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

It's true, but don't be so quick to squint the eyes at everyone around you based on their lack of remorse on the actions of a few.

Were I on a related panel, I would not have sentenced anyone to death. The pre-arranged ending of human life is not in anyone's rights to do, as far as I'm concerned, because that is murder.

But I refuse to spend my energy holding a guilty torch over those who ordered the execution. One way or the other, Saddam's legacy is written in history forever, and despite the ulterior motives and incorrect strategies of those who brought him down, his is a history of murder and evil. I won't mourn him. My own punishment to him is the harshest strike one could give to a man who thought himself so great.

I simply don't care.

[Sporkleet]

1. *applause* seriously the united states could learn form this... quicker execution. If things moved along quicker and less molestation of the appeals process occurred it would not cost more to put a man to death for the crime than to imprison him until death by natural cause.
2. I cannot comment about if the court was true or bias, I did not care to watch, I think we all knew the judgment before he was even captured.
3. I frown on comments akin to "he got what he deserved... that (insert adjectives here)". Only those involved with the situation are competent to make character claims as such.

**my post may very well get erased for this or at best edited, and hopefully it will after some time if not ASAP. My views about to be expressed I know are so politically incorrect that if not for the first basic rights offered to me by my government I may possibly be imprisoned. I also respect the right of the moderators of this board to maintain their right to choose the content that remains on this forum and as such I hold no ill feelings if this posting is modified or removed all together. That said... **

Please do not skip to this part of the post without first reading the above message to the public, thanks. Every culture has very differing views of right and wrong. Right and wrong change with the times even within a specific culture. To many of us what he did was truly wrong, to many of his own people it was truly wrong. I frown at the ethnocentric views I am constantly bombarded with by the general public and the media in general, unfortuntly the rest of the world is not always as conservative or liberal as you would hope. 'the man claiming to be jesus is called insane, do not call him insane, for he may be jesus' Its a silly saying and kinda off topic but simply because the media says a man is evil does not mean he was the devil, a character of poor morals is likely. Imagine the story of king solomon if the media was there 'evil ruler wants to cut a baby in half!' The things that happened I am sure did happen, we have proof of things but we are not to say what was the motive behind such things, especially when it comes to why one group wishes for the removal of another group. He rose on the shoulders of those oppressed by puppet rule of a colonial power... I can think of another group of more patriotic individuals that slain brothers in combat for the same result. Hitler, the evil (yes he was evil, I have heard from my lasting relatives of years past to the horrors of this person) man that he was, was not a bad ruler... he just took a leap off the deep end in his last years with the Jewish Houlocoust . Hitler took a war torn impoverished rag of a country and turned spirit around and the country became a world power feared by those that put germany in the poor state it was. I suppose this post is a last tribute to the few good deeds of a dead man, whether one may believe it is deserved or not. I make a point of doing such after witnessing the horrors christian compassion offers to two young children that committed suicide when all efforts of releasing them from their enduring tortures of peers fail. Columbine, remember the makeshift crosses erected at the site for those lost? pictures and letters tacked to the crosses of the victims, the two crosses erected for the two gunmen eventually painted black to mask out the obscenities... in note one of the black crossed was soon torn down and broken . I feel in the end of a life no matter the events of the past deserves at the least a calm silence before the parades or violence begin. In the end of this, I do not at all regret justice being carried out only of the cheers I heard when the news struck, no death of another should be welcomed with smile.

[Chaimera]

that animal didnt suffer enough in my opinion, it should have been slow and painfull, and everything should have been done to make sure he did not meet his god

[Tristalyn]

If you ask my husband whether he should have been executed the way he was he would say no.. he should have been tortured first. His way of thinking is.. He was sent to death the same way he sent countless others.

I, for one, don't think I'm all that for it. I don't know why, I just don't think the death penalty is exactly the way to go, whether or not it is deserved or not.

But one thing is fact. Sadam did not want to die, he wanted to live.


I think because of this something major will happen.. maybe not today or even this week but I think soon.

He had a fair trial as far as fair trials go. How fair is any trial? My husbands best friend was put in prison years ago at the age of 20 because some girl said he gang raped her. She has no proof he did, he has no proof he didn't, so in jail is where he's sat for over 6 years.

He got his trial, the jury gave a verdict, execution was sentenced, sentence was played out. The Americans did not kill him, we only captured him. Perhaps it woulda been best for the soldier that found him in that hole to have thrown a grenade in, who knows..

We can not undo what is done.

End of discussion.

[psykotropik]

1: His trial wasn't complete, he wasn't charged for all his crimes.
2: The US government should have had nothing to do with it
3: I'm not sticking up for Saddam, as what he did was wrong
4: More trouble is only going to spawn from this
5: The US could have killed him when they caught him... or better yet, try 10, 15 years go! Before most of this mess!

America the super power. America the land of the free.... ha!

[Tastyvixen]

I really don't know how I feel about it. On one hand I don't agree with giving the death penalty.. well, unless its a pedifile of course. Those sick basterds need to be put down or at least have it lopped off.... Anyway, I don't feel its our place to say if it was right or wrong to give him the death penalty. That choice was left to those who should have it, his own people.

I know a couple who escaped Irac durring his rule. Most of thier family are now gone thanks to him. While they do not believe in taking another man's life so do not support the death penalty they will definately not be morning his death.

As for not being charged for all his crimes... from what I understand they decided not to try him for any crimes that were carried out by those below him, only those crimes he personaly handled. Besides, why beat a dead fish... should they have tacked on more charges so he could get the death penalty many times over? Thats like giving someone 5 life sentences with no chance of parole, rather pointless.

[Chaimera]

i still stand firm that that freakin animal got off easy, honestly i think his two other animals of "offspring" should have been kept alive, and each in turn benn slowly chopped up piece by piece, and finally leading up to the main fuck that spawned them, and in all honesty i dont care what any light hearted person thinks of my comments, we are talking about a destroyer of lives, and well being, so if you have a soft spot, pisss off on this topic. there is no hiding from something like this, that fuck has been a scurge on humankind for far too long, and we have lost waaaay too many good souls to the capture of this fuck, i really dont think there is anything that could be positive from this live of DNA to be had, i say wipe em all out. and as far as any comments on America,PISS off, WHO CAUGHT THE SON OF A BITCH?! no one but an AMERICAN! no other country put forth so many souls, and or effort, we are talking about a killer on a WORLD scale, he was caught, tried, and found wanting, so he was hung like the traitor to the human race that it was

[Ashval]

This thread had no good ending when it started...

[Chaimera]

yup. nothing good would come of it

[Tristalyn]

I'm rather dissapointed that this thread is turning more into an anti-America bash than a discussion for Sudam and his execution.

He killed millions.

America captured him.

Who's the bad guy?

Seriously I'm sick of seeing ppl bash Americans because of this, get the hell over it and stfu.

Can we close this thread now?.. it's starting to turn political and that's never ever good.

[Twisty]

Personally, I am against death sentence and it shouldn't have been used, although Saddam was one of the few people in the world who would deserve it.

Also, there are hundreds of thousands of people who didn't get justice from this trial. Investigations for the other crimes are still going on, but what ever the results are he won't be punished for those crimes. So there is still probably a lot of bitterness left in Iraq.

[Gimpeline]

Death penalty is a barbaric custom that belongs in the dark ages. The only thing it is there for is some kind of primal instinct for revenge. It is sad to see it used in our century.

[Innari]

Yea, think I'm going to take the intiative to lock this thread now. Consider the discussion ended.